@ferrels

Wanderer is buggy I think. I saw that when I started to use Windows hosted. With Magellan it is perfectly stable whereas others told me Windows hosted would be unstable. So replacing Wanderer would propably improve the stability.

@ferrels

>Nothing to get excited about since you can download and install several hosted versions of AROS.

It seems ARIX was/is able to use multiple cores with ARIX apps, unlike others.

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All the other hosted versions use multiple cores as well, because just like Arix, they sit on top of a Linux core. Nothing new here.....

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BeOS and Amiga Exec have only the "micro-kernel" word in common. Aside this, they are billions light years far away.

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All the other hosted versions use multiple cores as well, because just like Arix, they sit on top of a Linux core. Nothing new here.....

Nope, not true. The Linux side uses multiple cores for Linux apps with hosted, but ARIX supports multiple cores from within ARIX itself.

Also, where exactly did Mschulz say it was just Linux hosted? There was even a thread in which he posted a picture of the "hybrid kernel". SillySMP also isn't part of AROS, hosted or otherwise.

@fishy_fis

He never stated anything about a "hybrid" kernel nor posted that image, the ARix fan-boys did. Michal stated that Arix ran on top of a Linux kernel using an API shim or API translation layer....aka hosted.

And the copy of Arix that I've tested even states that it's a hosted version during boot up. Do you think I'm making this up or what?

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@ferrels

Considered that ARIX is architecturally more similar to an amithlon system i would call it "hosted on steroids"

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@ferrels

Perhaps there was indeed some confusion about what it is or not. Using Linux for drivers is certainly not a bad idea, the only realistic option we have right now.

But anyway, it seems more or less dead right now and I do not know if there is any development right now and how many devs are still active there right now. I have enough "playgrounds" on AROS so I do not care much.

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I had a quick chat with Arix on FB (Terminills, I believe). He said they might have something ready in about a month. That was about a month ago... given that they launched two years ago, I'm pretty much taking that with a grain of salt. A shame, really. Would have loved to see/use it.

@saimon69

I wouldn't say it's on "steroids" at all. It still has all the drawbacks and limitations of all the other hosted versions of AROS and it certainly won't perform any faster than the other hosted versions, except maybe during boot up.

It also isn't "close to Amithlon" as you say. Conceptually similar yes, but architecturally no. Amithlon hosts a 68k classic Amiga so it also has to emulate the classic Amiga chip set as well as the CPU. Arix is an x86 Linux kernel translating AROS x86 API calls. Less overhead to deal with.

If you're really a hard core Arix/AROS fan, you'd honestly be better served to go with your favorite and well-supported version of Linux and then run a hosted AROS on top of that. That way you'll have a wealth of Linux apps to rely on until AROS devs can port or create some native apps.

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@ferrels

Amithlon is not emulating the original chipset, for that you would need UAE on it. Because of that it is faster than UAE even with JIT as long the software is not directly using the hardware. Hosted is pretty fast, in fact it is as fast as any application running on the host OS.

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OlafS25 wrote: @ferrels Amithlon is not emulating the original chipset, for that you would need UAE on it. Because of that it is faster than UAE even with JIT as long the software is not directly using the hardware. Hosted is pretty fast, in fact it is as fast as any application running on the host OS.

Amithlon may not be emulating an exact Amiga chip set, but it does emulate the 68k cpu and classic Amiga API system calls. So it does have more overhead to deal with than AROS hosted or Arix. Amithlon was/is a nice piece of work.

I've used/tested Arix, AROS native, and several versions of AROS hosted and the hosted versions actually perform better because the AROS native builds don't have optimized drivers and the native kernel isn't optimized either. That'll change over time, but don't hold your breath. The devs all work on AROS in their spare time and they have pretty busy lives, just like the rest of us.

@Thread

and 8 months later, where is ArixOS?

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Interview with Deadwood is slated for Amiga Future issue #118:

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=96832

You'd have to check the "Member-Preview online" to see if it gets mentioned, as some people had hoped.

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Thanks.

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Just noticed the interview with Krzysztof "deadwood" Smiechowicz is indeed listed for issue 118:

http://www.vesalia.de/e_af118.htm

I have no idea as to content though.

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number6 wrote: @elwood Just noticed the interview with Krzysztof "deadwood" Smiechowicz is indeed listed for issue 118: http://www.vesalia.de/e_af118.htm I have no idea as to content though. #6

Yes (as I already "announced" on AROS exec) I did an interview with deadwood, which will be in the next issue of AF (118). When I noticed that deadwood is involved in ARIX I (of course) asked some questions about ARIX, too.

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@ferrels

Interesting. I've used about a dozen builds of arix, and not one mentions hosted Linux that I can recall. The name "ARIX" actually almost stands out amongst the text even, I guess 'cos I've been seeing "AROS" in its place for so long. It's like being used to a song from a copy that's missing a verse or something... from then-on-end everytime you hear the song elsewhere (ie. a proper copy) you expect it to be what you're used to. :)

Anyway, in regards to ARIX, it's just taken longer than expected at the time when it was being "advertised". I believe there was a developer or 2 who found themselves with other obligations as well. No conspiracies of anything required, the truth is actually somewhat mundane. It'll be done when its done.

Hosted offshoots gain most from having official vendor developed drivers, but you can still get more than decent results. Im fact like to like vs. Linux (ie. same versions of drivers (mesa/gallium3d) AROS has a performance advantage in windowed mode (and for balances sake, its weaker in fullscreen).
There's good performance available for AROS for any games we have anyway. Doom3 is probably the most advanced game available for an amiga-oid system, and even at my monitors native res (1920x1200) I never drop under 100fps (usually over 200 though).
Granted, its a bit of a sidebar, but that's where my brain went :)

Anyway, point, if there is one, is just that its not as black and white in native vs. hosted performance. there's a lot of determining factors.