Where is a host link and how to create a bounty to start a new bounty?

I dunno how to make it.

Bounty must be aimed at creation of a modern set of tools to replace ancient obsolete Quarterback Tools (which also were commercial software AFAIK), for analyzing HDDs structures, hide bad blocks, clone copy damaged disks, recover partitions and disk geometry on Amiga, AROS and MorphOS, and being capable to support and handle any kind of Amiga filesystems.

(and maybe also some fat PC ones in order to keep ourselves indipendent from PC when repairing USB memory keys, and SD cards for example)

Bounty can be started also for a simple one tool (hide bad blocks for example), but it must share interface and integrate with future ones, and future bounties, in order to create an organic set of modern HD tools for our platform!

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@Raffaele

How come you picked Quarterback Tools above any other repair tools?

@Hypex

Just because it was mentioned in the SOS HD unrecognized thread...

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@Raffaele

OS4 only bounties are dead. Timberwolf killed them.

@Raffaele

Modern HD do not need these tools. They handle their own bad block etc.

Nor is there much need of file recovery software on modern filesystems. The .recycled drawer deals with a one accidental delete and proper backups strategies deal with data security.

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@cgutjahr

Before trolling it's wise to read the OP posts, since he

1. posted in amiga general chat
2. mentions MorphOS and AROS too

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@Raffaele

There is SFSDoctor, PFSDoctor and IceSalv for MorphOS and PFSDoctor and SFSSalv for AmigaOS.

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@broadblues

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mentions MorphOS and AROS too

MorphOS already has IceFS and IceDocto. But I did miss that Raffaele also mentioned AROS - my apologies.

I'll check more closely next time I'm going to troll.

@broadblues

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broadblues wrote: @Raffaele Modern HD do not need these tools. They handle their own bad block etc. Nor is there much need of file recovery software on modern filesystems. The .recycled drawer deals with a one accidental delete and proper backups strategies deal with data security.

Well SFS for AmigaOS is not SFS for MorphOS. A tool valid for both systems could be useful.
Also a tool for MorphOS to repair FFS2 partitions sure it was was a bonus for those who have Pegasos II machines and dual boot partition AmigaOS4/MorphOS.

In the end it is still not uncommon finding bad block files on modern HardDisks. Maintainer Ikir from site AmigaNews.it found an annoying one just some months ago. Here is the thread about it.:

http://amiga.ikirsector.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=18330

We have various sparse repair tools divided into the three main Amiga-Like Operating Systems and not a centralized one.

Also I never heard of an Amiga tool for handling Active S.M.A.R.T. information of hard disks to check for their health status...

And, as I said starting the thread, sure we are forced to use a PC for recovering data out of an USB Memory Key.

That's no good in the view of keeping Amiga a complete autonomous platform indipendent from other Operating Systems...
I mean why to seek for a PC if we could have Memory Key FAT partition recovery tool all for ourselves and included into a standard common centralized recovery tool valid for all Amiga platforms?

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@Raffaele

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Also I never heard of an Amiga tool for handling Active S.M.A.R.T. information of hard disks to check for their health status...

Here it is in a small dock and with Ringhio notification support
On os4depot there are a couple of command line tools also

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@Nibunnoichi

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Nibunnoichi wrote: Here it is in a small dock and with Ringhio notification support On os4depot there are a couple of command line tools also

Thanks for that, I did not know that existed. Time to add another docky when I get home from work, I do believe.

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@Raffaele

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Bounty must be aimed at creation of a modern set of tools to replace ancient obsolete Quarterback Tools (which also were commercial software AFAIK), for analyzing HDDs structures, recover partitions and disk geometry on Amiga,

Well you can annalize the disk to recover the RDB, by looking for PARTITON names, and other information.

>"hide bad blocks,"

you mean link all bad blocks into a file, like BBFormat does?
I think you need to understand the filesystem in question on low level.
Its not possible to do this on high level, its not possible to make it generic.

>clone copy damaged disks,

There is tool for this provided in AmigaOS to copy blocks from DISK, I'm not sure its possible to make images from partitions,it will depend on Filesystem if it uses relative blocks or absolute block positions.

You need to understand the filesystem in question.

Being AmigaOS, I assume that most filesystem use Absolute Block positions and so its not easy to do.

If it was easy to do then MediaToolBox should have supported resizing and moving partitions already.

Anyway should be possible by recursively solving block relocation. It might take a lot memory to keep track of it on large disk.

Anyway what I like to see is some kind of warning in MediaToolBox telling me that partition X,Y,Z is changed, do you wont to continue, when pressing save button. A few time I have change things with out knowing.

>and being capable to support and handle any kind of Amiga filesystems.

I'm thinking this might be possible to by a set of filesystem recovery plugins.

So you have 1 front end GUI app.

1 x SFS recovery plugin.
1 x FFS recovery plugin.
1 x FAT recovery plugin.
1 x NTFS Recovery plugin.
1 x PFS recovery plugin.
1 x JXFS recovery plugin.
1 x EXT3 recovery plugin.
1 x MFS recovery plugin.
1 x HFS recovery plugin.

And so on, anyway the work needed to support all the filesystem is going major task, sure it might be possible to start by porting over some Linux filesystem recovery tools.

At lest that way support most common standard filesystems FAT/EXT3 etc, anyway lots of work.

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@Nibunnoichi

Great!

But why such handful tool is from OSDepot and has no presence in Aminet?

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After reading of the utility you mentioned, I checked if it was present on Aminet too. It us not present, but there I just found S.M.A.R.T. tool for MorpOS. What a pleasant surprise.

http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/SMARTDoctor-morphos

There is another one for AmigaOS4 too

http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/smartmontools

And in the end there is also one just monitoring temperature.

http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/smarttempmon

Although no utilities S.M.A.R.T. for classic AmigaOS.

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@Raffaele

Aminet = OLD 68k stuff and mostly irrelevant stuff WarpUP, PowerUP, AROS,MorphOS and p.OS Binary’s.

OS4Depot = New programs.

OS4Depot also has different policy about distribution of software, then Aminet has.
If you don't wont your software (free ware) to be sold in some kind of collection.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Yes absolutely. A plug-in based tool is the most intelligent solution.

It is lots of work but it could be made in a delayed time, and once a common GUI and guidelines are created, various developers can contribute with their own recovery tool aimed at only one filesystem at a time, as if needed by the community.

Then again Amiga will surpass other platforms by owning a centralized HDDs multiple filesystem data recovery tool.

Benefits:

- It will be universal (portable on any Amiga-like OS)
- It will be modular (it will require rewritting only one filesystem module if obsolete)
- It will be a choral effort of multiple developers who can enhance and update recovery tool in different times, if needed

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Raffaele Aminet = OLD OS4Depot = New. OS4Depot also has different policy about distribution of software, then Aminet has. If you don't wont your software (free ware) to be sold in some kind of collection.

Yes. But I always thought of Aminet as a sort of library for keeping a trace of any, and I intended [B]"ANY"[/B] Amiga software freely distributable to keep an historic copy of it.

In recent past I visited luckysoft.cz archive for MorphOS. It is only a list of sites, not a repository.
With my disappoint some sites were down so I could not download the software I needed.

There should be a correct policy to keep copy of any known Amiga freely distributable software on Aminet (obviously under permission by author), so to keep programs always safe for the future, even if its developer does not release sourcecode.

I wonder how many little personal sites of Amiga developers, full of little good utilities for classic Amigas, hardware projects and cool demos were not maintaned anymore as developer retired from Amiga scene, and we lost any historic trace of it.

Aminet is old, but as being the very first repository of internet aimed at a community, it makes a great job of keeping Amiga far from obsolescence and preserving its history and its historic free software.

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OS4Depot also has different policy about distribution of software, then Aminet has. If you don't wont your software (free ware) to be sold in some kind of collection.

Aminet is just a repository, the author decides how a particular title can be distributed. Aminet neither enforces any distribution methods nor does it prevent any.

If you don't want your upload to appear on any CDs (not that there will be any further CDs), you simply put "Distribution: NoCD" in your readme's header.

OS4depot is using the exact same policy, btw.

@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: OS4Depot also has different policy about distribution of software, then Aminet has. If you don't wont your software (free ware) to be sold in some kind of collection. Aminet is just a repository, the author decides how a particular title can be distributed. Aminet neither enforces any distribution methods nor does it prevent any. If you don't want your upload to appear on any CDs (not that there will be any further CDs), you simply put "Distribution: NoCD" in your readme's header. OS4depot is using the exact same policy, btw.

That's not the point.

I intended just a work of retrieve and collect software for the future

Redistribute it (maybe on CDs) is a bonus

Retrieving and preserving also sourcecode is another bonus

But it should be good will policy for any Amiga developer offer a copy of his software on Aminet for historic purposes if the software is not commercial!

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Well SFS for AmigaOS is not SFS for MorphOS. A tool valid for both systems could be useful.

No, they are the same. SFS for AmigaOS is older and may have some unfixed bugs but SFSsalv and SFSDoctor can be used interchangeably.

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@Raffaele

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Retrieving and preserving also sourcecode is another bonus

Better to use GIThub, Code.Google or SourceForge.net to keep track of source code.

Yes its nice to find every thing at one place, but not using a repository also means that people keep there changes on the HD-drive, and only upload source code when they are really bored.

People know its smart to make backups, but do people make backups?

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