@amigakit

I have to go to work but will write in PM later.

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I have to agree that A.Org is really not what it was at all. About ten years ago I learned a lot about coding just hanging in there. Lots of knowledgeable users were there, most ones I remember were Piru as well as Thomas, Karlos, Itix, Bloodline as well as others. They were from different camps of AmigaOS derivatives but all helped in my doubts at the time. The site was no heaven and there were discussions between camps and some heavy mess ups too but it was possible to haven open minded discussions. ALL of them are gone now or just don't post close to anything.
As for the recent take over, when I first saw Trevor's presentations a bunch of time ago he seems to be a nice guy, but then he put that big picture of himself on A.Org and it looks weird, I can understand why some people can get the ideas they get, specially when a valuable user gets banned like that, it's just disproportionate, whatever the argument was.

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@Jose

its my experience as well.

@amigadave

i have informed you about the issue via pm in advance. the link ive posted contains no insults only some discussion on another forum everybody can draw conclusions from for himself. removing it is simply covering tracks. good to see, whom you align yourself with, not that it was unexpected.

@amigadave

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There are well established rules on both sites which prohibit public criticism of moderators and their actions

Their actions as moderators, yes. From what I read on Moobunny, the link Wawa posted was about kjmann's actions as a commercial vendor, prior to him becoming a moderator on a.org out of nowhere.

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If you don't follow the prescribed methods to express your complaints, then your posts will be edited, or deleted, and you may have further moderator actions taken against you for violating site rules repeatedly. It is as simple as that.

I'm at a loss - can you give a step by step guide how one would discuss a moderator's commercial ventures before he became a moderator? I'm not really interested in discussing wether kjmann ripped of customers or not, but it would be nice to know how to deal with this in the future.

@Jose

The worst part is the attitude of moderators/admins, editing post and making jokes about the people that dont think like them or with this new "aeon age", no reason and they just see what they want to see.

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@cgutjahr

I'd really appreciate an answer.

@cgutjahr

Sorry, to bump again already, but with all this sudden (totally unrelated) activity from the amigakit account, the thread had vanished from the front page again.

Maybe we should itix decide what he wants to say publicly, if anything, when he got the time.

Hence the PRIVATE MESSAGE exchange between amigakit and itix.

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@Overflow

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Overflow wrote: Maybe we should itix decide what he wants to say publicly, if anything, when he got the time. Hence the PRIVATE MESSAGE exchange between amigakit and itix.

Having person which is known to be less than honest as admin/moderator when you are a vendor should be a public thing..

@Rose

All I said was thats up to itix. He has posted in other threads today.

I agree that the link wava provided was less than confidencebuilding, but I dont know the mod nor the people posting. That said, its certainly something people will have in the back of their head going forward.

The baseline for me now is that amigakit have given me flawless service when ive ordered, so that settles it with regards to vendor.

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@Overflow

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Maybe we should itix decide what he wants to say publicly, if anything, when he got the time.

itix' issue seems to be resolved (as in: "thanks for all the fish").

I'm interested in an answer from amigadave (or Amigakit, given he's posting a lot today), about how and where kjmann's commercial ventures can be discussed.

*bump*

(Edit: bah, typos...)

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@cgutjahr

There seems to be a thread at that atari forum dealing with it, Maybe post there since they seems to know more/alot?

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@cgutjahr

If wawa had not already been involved in a conflict with the moderator in question, I might have agreed that his link was not an attempt at a personal attack and further criticism of the moderator.

As for a step-by-step guide, it is simple. When ever you have any concerns about any of the moderators, or their actions, contact them directly via PM and see if you can work out your differences. If that fails and you still feel you need a resolution, contact another moderator or the site owner(s) via PM, and express your complaint or concerns.

I have contacted kjmann regarding the accusations contained in wawa's linked thread and I am satisfied with the answer provided, but it is not up to me to decide who is allowed to moderate at A.org. That is up to the site owners and I have confidence in them to make the right choices. If you don't share my confidence, then use the appropriate channels to express your concerns. Otherwise, follow the posting rules, and you will have no trouble from moderators here.

Edit: As for your question about where to discuss criticism of a vendor selling Atari hardware, take Overflows advice and join the thread on the Atari forum site. Unless kjmann is selling Amiga hardware directly to our members on this forum site, I don't see the relevance of discussing it here, and as I wrote above, if you are only bringing it up to question his qualifications to be a moderator at A.org, then it should only be brought up via PM on the A.org site with kjmann himself, or the site owners, not here in any forum thread.

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@amigadave

You might be satisfied by his explanations but if you bother to google his username it's quite obvious that he's a scam artist.

@Rose

It's also quite amusing how AmigaKit keeps this from frontpage without commenting their connection to known con man.

@cgutjahr

+1

Add the fact he was accused of selling pirated software also. To me personally if true that means Amiga.org now portrays the appearance of condoning pirating software. Seems a bit ironic considering the whole App Store thing.

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Rose wrote: @Rose It's also quite amusing how AmigaKit keeps this from frontpage without commenting their connection to known con man.

Just to know... Got warning that I have to edit this one....

@terminills

Quite the leap you are making there.

This thread was started by itix and he got sorted out.
Seems to me the thread have run its course and should be locked.

We are venturing into strawman and slander territory.

@Overflow


Far from it. The accusation was made on the Atari forums. If it's true then that is the image it portrays.

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@terminills

Have amigakit ever given poor service? Ive ordered from them several times (aswell from vesalia and jens directly) with no issues . Seems to me vendors in general for Amiga platform is good/trustworthy.
Doubt one moderator on a.org will change that (no matter what he might or might not be guilty of).

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