I promised myself I wouldn't post anymore, and for a year or so I managed to keep the promise, and with this I am doing nothing but venting and calling for rotten tomatoes. Anyway, after reading the recent news + reports from Amiwest I can't resist.

Reality check.
"AMIGA" in the year 2014 is:

- An OS with features on par with Windows/MacOS versions from 15 years ago, updated in minor increments every 4/5 years with priority given to animated backgrounds over memory protection

- Abysmally overpriced yet under powered hardware using a dead architecture, to run the above OS

- A couple companies without even a real business model, yet as secretive as international corporations

- A development community where authors of amateur quality software, graphics, websites, feed one each other praises for their work

- A user community where threads belong to the following categories:
° endless arguments on super low level hw details that would barely matter to someone that does cpu engineering for a living
° grandiose business or tech plans outlined by people who barely know how to type
° overly excited benchmarks where a 20 years old game runs at 30 frames per second
° triumphant announcements of achievements in the lines of "I managed to open Facebook"
° legal (!!) debates, complete with court material

And everyone, everyone taking themselves so incredibly seriously, giving themselves senior management titles in a 5 part-time people operation, creating countdowns for broken HTML 1.1 websites, threatening legal actions, exerting moderation power to vent personal frustrations.



Remember when computing was fun? Or, at least... not morbid.
Off to my self banishment again

@resle

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I promised myself I wouldn't post anymore, and for a year or so I managed to keep the promise

Welcome back!

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Off to my self banishment again

Goodbye!

@resle

I completely get the idea of trying to quantify/re-enforce decisions Ive made to myself, and there's definite truths to some of your points. Im currently really questioning why Im still here as well, and some of your points aren't too removed from my own thoughts.
Having said that I think most realistic people are aware of the systems shortcomings. Harking back to something like Win9x in my opinion isn't a terrible thing either. While I do enjoy some of the features of a more modern OS, there's also appeal in something like Win9x (which is a good parallel to the amigaoid systems, perhaps ironically). Currently Im actually on a Win9x kick, and Im surprised at just how little a person loses (besides hardware support/features) in terms of functionality vs. more current OSes. A lot of the restrictions there are artificial, and can be worked around. You lose more bloat than actual usability.

At the end of the day, it shouldn't be a shock, nor is it a revelation that amiga os (and derivatives) is pretty outdated, but that doesn't stop them being fun and enjoyable systems. The system itself is fine, but unfortunately not much can be done about the other problems (price/lack of power/people). At least it (OS4) can be run on affordable/decent hardware via emulation these days.

I cant find the harm in developers supporting each other either though. Given the lack of money people receive here for their efforts I see no problem with encouragement. It is taken a bit too far (reminds me of locker room ass slapping at times) at times, but again, any reasonable person sees this and wont buy into the personal delusions of grandeur these people might have.

It's meant to be fun though. As soon as you start taking it seriously, and thinking in logic a person will end up thinking along the lines of this thread.
Thankfully there's alternatives which are just as fun, cheaper, and run on vastly superior hardware, so if the, at times farcical OS4 route isn't for you, a person can still enjoy the hobby if they choose.

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@pavlor

+1

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@resle

If you can't feel positive about something then it's probably a good idea to take a step back from it like you've decided.

Have fun with whatever else you're doing.

@fishy_fis

Just to echo what you just said;

I remember a few months ago, a french developer that have been making a 3d dungeon crawler demostration, somewhat under the radar. He had been blogging his progress, yet noone had made any comments; critical or encouragements.
Personally I had no idea about his efforts, and just stumbled over his blog by accident.
He made comments along the lines of "it would have been nice with some feedback, just to keep my motivation going. Any stimuli would do!".
Ofcourse you could argue that he should have made a better effort in letting the community know what he was doing, by posting updates once a day/week/month (or whenever he had something to report).

So there is something to be said for the activity that Olaf, phoenix, amigakit, linux branch of OS4 development on our forums. People seem to enjoy some sort of feedback (be it words or donations).

Other than that; I agree with many of resles comments. I consider this to be a hobby, my A1200 sitting next to my dual screen Windows i7 PC.
But I appriciate that atleast a few people try their best to make a living out of these platforms, and as long as they in turn provide a service that I can use to maintain my irrational Classic nostalgica, then Im not going to go out of my way to discourage them.

But the endless debates that looked identical 10 years ago are somewhat tiresome since they have a tendency to creep up into unrelated threads/topics, so defintly agree there.

Nice to see you back resle :)

@pavlor

+1 ... and i add (y) too :)


I can add one things ...

Amiga Like what it was in 1990 will be no more ... first because Aeon is not a big corporation like commodore was ... second for become like was in 1990 the only way will be HP or IBM or Samsung have to buy everything inculded Commodore logo and invest on it...
but no one wanna buy the commodore logo ... because everytime some one buy Commodore or Amiga brand close with bancrupcy or die ...

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@tlosm

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but no one wanna buy the commodore logo

Perhaps you meant Commodore & Amiga as a combination?

The Commodore logo/trademark has been in the hands of C=Holdings B.V. since the lawsuit concluded early this year. Someone absolutely wanted it.

Latest public information concerning the Commodore branch is always available:
Here

Which includes a link to the .pdf on the case resolution and link to comments from a legal analyst in plain english.

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@resle

You're certainly right for most parts, but still each people that fires up an A machine certainly do it for good reasons, call it nostalgy for many of us.

@Overflow

He certainly got feedback and encouragement but as he says in the linked thread, free time is a scarce resource.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36898&forum=15&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

@resle

I am an original Amiga 500 user and the bookstore in the mall was basically selling them and I don't even think stores like Computer Etc. accepted the Amiga. Back then I went to a computer club held at a University. Back then there wasn't a lot of software and developers were nice to come out. You have to understand that back then you had to pay Commodore for developer status and it costs time and money to build any product.

What turned me off is to hear one individual yell for more products at the club and the other thing that grossed me out was that people came out, ate popcorn and littered the floor week after week and no one swept the floor. They were essentially not invited back.

What is worse is that Amiga is 20+ years behind the times and it is nostalgia. Why program for a computer that doesn't have the most powerful tools in the world?

You basically went with the wrong platform because you went with a small company, you went with a company that didn't invest in computer scientists, you went with a company that bought the technology instead of really doing research and development.

The Raspberry Pi has more support than what I see for Amiga.

Become a developer and stop complaining. If you don't like Amiga's non-existent future then build it.

darn where's that little beating a dead horse emoticon

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darn where's that little beating a dead horse emoticon

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@number6

i see their website http://www.commodorecorp.com/ but everything dont work ... look like a website made by some guy with frontpage and a web template (from template monsters) ... I will never invest in a society who looklike a ghost more near to a fake .

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@tlosm

Mr. Ebben is well aware of the condition of his website.

They are also still involved in multiple court cases and most likely do not feel this is the time to focus on web presence.

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thanks 6

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@number6

i dont know i goes on the site with wayback and in past it was from a Cruiser company after 2008 it start be commodore c= computers and was Commodore Asia
And in 2010 the site open with this news

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Announcing Trademark Licensing for Built-In Keyboard Computer Asiarim Corporation (OTCQB Symbol: ARMC) (“Asiarim”) announces that its subsidiary, Commodore Licensing B.V. (“Commodore”) in

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@tlosm

If you read the thread I linked to, all of that is explained.
The company PR you are quoting is from the company who lost the lawsuit.

PR from anyone is always worthy of research.
For me, it is that one rare case where you are guilty until proven innocent.

Any questions, ask in the on-topic thread I linked to please.

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@number6

Ok thank you, i miss many things after 10 years of inactivity ;)

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