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Re: Genesi
Posted on 8-Jan-2015 17:34:35
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@TRIPOS

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My point was to answer the "Hyperion doesn't make HW" claim. No they don't, but there was a point in time where Ben Hermans set out that Hyperion was facing "the Most Ambitions Project" in the company's history and he partnered up with Trevor (and Anthony if you say so) to do just this -- produce HW!


Well no. I don't say so, but Trevor and the documents do. And sadly I don't require the history lesson, as it is it common knowledge. Hyperion didn't trust the "out of house" projects to develop h/w for their future and obviously A-Eon version 1, was created to address that issue.

Who is Anthony Moorley ? And what are the connections to A-Eon

and

Any Dutch Translators?

You'll also note the former Hyperion partner posting in this same thread.


Added to back up statement on "out of house":

Source

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The Amiga market was damaged far more by underfunded small companies without professional management and insufficient resources and expertise...

and

Source

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If even a fraction of the announced hardware was released, it certainly would not have taken so long.


This...all just prior to the formation of A-Eon version 1.


The above statements by Hyperionmp refuted:

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The Amiga market over the years has been kept alive by these under funded small companies. They invested their hard earned money, and time into the projects. Even if they failed in their project they kept hope alive, and interest in the Amiga community. One excellent example of this is the Minimig.

This also should be said of the many software developers who work unpaid, or under funded to keep OS4x work or interest in the Amiga community alive.


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Re: Genesi
Posted on 8-Jan-2015 18:21:48
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@TRIPOS

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which is why Genesi argued it should be considered as part of the Amiga OS evolution path they had a contract for.


And that was quite lame argument back then.

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details of exactly what should be done was written down in the contract, and Amiga Inc should pay ... was it $25000 for the trouble? Well, Ben Hermans/Hyperion had different plans, they never delivered anything to Amiga Inc,


Breaches of original 2001 Agreement were on both sides (eg. Amiga.Inc should deliver OS3 sources).

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which somehow resulted in a settlement that is nothing else but a worm pit of legal dependencies where Intellectual Properties of both companies are forever tightly woven together in a tight knot.


2009 Settlement Agreement has benefits for both Hyperion and Amiga.Inc:
Hyperion owns "AmigaOS4" and has useful licences (Amiga One/ Amiga OS names, boing ball logo, OS3 sources)
Amiga.Inc can pretend activity on field of Operating Systems developement (existence of AmigaOS4.1 was one of support arguments of Amiga.Inc in dispute with Cloanto).

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but surely they didn't need it. They didn't really care.


Better it is in the hands of someone who does care.

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OS4 didn't help saving the Pegasos2, but the Pegasos2 helped saving OS4!


I think OS4 prolonged life of Pegasos 2 motherboards - after many MorphOS users left for Mac hardware, it was still attractive as only board able to run latest versions of AmigaOS and MorphOS.

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I don't think that "AmigaOS" will ever be written on any web page related to Genesi...


Amen to that!

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Re: Genesi
Posted on 8-Jan-2015 18:35:40
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@pavlor

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I think OS4 prolonged life of Pegasos 2 motherboards - after many MorphOS users left for Mac hardware, it was still attractive as only board able to run latest versions of AmigaOS and MorphOS.


And they got good price from old Pegasos 2 motherboards, too.

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Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 7:53:00
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@TRIPOS et al

There really isn't much of a point to write a blog any more. The days of community driven Linux are long over. PowerDeveloper is there to support the hardware that still survives in a world of progressively evolving ICT. And, it is not as if we are supporting a specific hardware platform or operating system and a set of related users. PowerDeveloper, the blog, and all the feedback were a interesting and fun chapter of our lives.

Genesi is doing well. We started the move from San Antonio and the Weston Centre in late 2013. It took us a couple months to get organized in Washington D.C. You will find Genesi at 2600 Virginia Ave. in the Watergate complex. Stop by and see us.

For the last couple of years most of our revenue has come from licensing. Our corporate home page describes exactly what we do. The march towards the Internet of Things is good for us. Our ARM-based firmware and OS offering are proprietary. We have developed some neat stuff over the last few years.

The core team today is not much different than it was years ago. We speak to Gerald every week and often daily. We still work with André who has posted in this thread. Our relationship with each member of the current software team began on PowerDeveloper years ago.

We enjoy meeting others we have been involved with over the years. We will be meeting one such person this week. He was in university when we met. He was a big help on not only PowerDeveloper, but on Power.org when Genesi served on the Board of Directors. Today, his sons are nearly teenagers and he is a successful corporate technology manager.

R&B

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 8:31:26
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@bbrv

Thanks for info. Glad to see you are doing well!

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Hypex 
Re: Genesi
Posted on 9-Nov-2015 14:13:30
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@JayCee

Because of the dispute over what the name of Amiga OS is. Do they mention Workbench? Maybe not because they have Ambient.

Last edited by Hypex on 10-Nov-2015 at 02:24 PM.

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
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@bbrv

Quote:

bbrv wrote:
@TRIPOS et al

Genesi is doing well.


Nice to hear!


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Our ARM-based ... OS offering are proprietary. We have developed some neat stuff over the last few years.


Linux based?

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Re: Genesi
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@TRIPOS

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No "Pegasos Class" ( =desktop) computer from Genesi would have been based on ARM I believe. ARM came much later.


ARM has actually been around since the mid 80s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

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bbrv 
Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 11:32:51
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@TRIPOS

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Linux based?



Hi. Actually, no, not Linux based. We still use Linux in many ways, but not at all in our most recent products.

@thread

I just traded emails with one of the main (and surviving) Freescale engineers/manager for the Power Architecture. Recently, we have been asked about the possibility of developing a new Power based system. If you have any thoughts on potential specifications please send us an email. We will meet with the Freescale folks in early December. Any input from the Community is welcome. If there is enough interest we may create a related project on power2people.org. Who knows this might be a good reason to turn on all the lights again at PowerDeveloper.

R&B

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 11:38:26
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@bbrv

here some are discussing about a "community board"

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=40691&forum=2&viewmode=flat&order=0

perhaps it is interesting for you

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 14:27:57
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@bbrv

What would be the possibility of such a board working as generic hardware and being able to run MOS, OS4 and Linux without any denominational disputes?

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number6 
Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 16:03:55
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@bbrv

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possibility of developing a new Power based system


You might want to talk to Konstantinos about his initiative in 2009, in case anything learned from that might assist in any future dialog.

Market research for new PowerPC system

I'm not sure of the viability of all the links that followed, but Konstantinos did advertise his survey quite thoroughly beyond Amigaworld at the time:

AROS-EXEC

Amiga.org

Linux

Haiku

Morphzone

PowerDeveloper

Although you might receive feedback here, it doesn't cost anything to see what the past feedback was either.

Konstantinos later assisted with altivec optimizations on AmigaOS4, so he would have additional perspective perhaps.

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Posted on 10-Nov-2015 16:37:05
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@number6

I think they might be fairly educated about that since markos/konstantinos/feanor worked a lot with them back then (libfreevec, ARM hard float, etc), and the research of interest you linked to is what eventually became the 8610 bounty I mentioned in the "Bounty to prototyping a new cheap Motherboard" thread (bPlan/Genesi being the planned developer of the thing).

IIRC of course...

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 16:41:17
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@bbrv

Quote:

bbrv wrote:
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Linux based?



Hi. Actually, no, not Linux based.


Then what?



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@thread

I just traded emails with one of the main (and surviving) Freescale engineers/manager for the Power Architecture. Recently, we have been asked about the possibility of developing a new Power based system. If you have any thoughts on potential specifications please send us an email. We will meet with the Freescale folks in early December. Any input from the Community is welcome. If there is enough interest we may create a related project on power2people.org. Who knows this might be a good reason to turn on all the lights again at PowerDeveloper.

R&B


A system resembling a desktop system?



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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 17:59:25
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@BBRV sent you a PM :)

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 18:06:34
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@number6

Hi, TRIPOS is correct. Konstantinos worked for Genesi then and continued to work with us until 2013. Konstantinos started ArmHardFloat while working for Genesi. And, Konstantinos continued to be the main actor when Genesi became a Linaro Partner.

1. Debian - ArmHardFloat

2. Linaro - ArmHardFloat

3. Konstantinos was actually mentioned in the presentation and PR from Linaro:

Linaro Partner Program

Linaro Smartbook Donation

We have no doubt Konstantinos would be excited to work on this sort of thing again.

R&B

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 18:24:12
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@bbrv
Hi :)

Welcome back :)))

It will be nice to have a board based on 8610 (Efika size ) .
And with bplan logo on it :)

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
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@Everblue

Got it. Thanks.

@number6

I guess you might not know that we along with André Siegel and many AROS Community members are power2people.org.

@TRIPOS

Will answer more later. Busy day today.

R&B

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 10-Nov-2015 18:38:36
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@bbrv

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I guess you might not know that we along with André Siegel and many AROS Community members are power2people.org.


I might know more than you think...heh.

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Re: Genesi is fine. Life goes on...
Posted on 11-Nov-2015 11:57:26
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@bbrv

i dont know if this interests you, but afair you once backed up the natami team with some coldfire development boards. while as it seems coldfire had to be dropped for compatibility reasons, they actually developed and are still working on fast 68k fpga core:
http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm

which is currently running on a600 fpga accelerator boards designed and built here:
http://majsta.com/

as you might see from the benchmarks, the core already exceeds 060/100mhz speeds in a cyclone3.

there is few threads where the developments are being discussed, as example:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=1050185#post1050185

the project is closed source. but then also aros68k is still being improved along other platforms and has already an own distribution:
http://www.natami-news.de/html/aros_vision.html

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