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paolone 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 13-Mar-2015 13:18:52
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@megol

It was actually a joke. OS/2 was a quite amazing true-32bit operating system years before Windows 95 stepped in. And it supported 16 bit software too, even MS Windows' one. Problem was, however, that trying to run 16 bit windows software on OS/2 (at least the Warp version, when I used it everyday) generally led to a system crash. I've been happier with Win 95, but only because it ran better the programs I used at the time.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Still no word from Ben... Seems Hyperion are definitely bankrupt. He said things take time to sort in Belgium but if a company was declared bankrupt for all this time, if they weren't before, they must be now!


Agreed. I can understand that in Belgium legal stuff can take time, I guess in Italy it's even worse. But opposing a bankruptcy declaration should be matter of a few days, a few weeks maximum. How can you "pause" operations for so much time without deadly hitting your business? 6 months to 12 I've read here, is a complete madness: you simply can't keep your investors, customers and creditors calm for so much time!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone
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OS/2 was a quite amazing true-32bit operating system years before Windows 95 stepped in.

It was only about 1 year earlier than Windows NT with that true 32bit support though (and NT could run 16bit OS/2 software too, not just the other way around; no wonder, both OSes share the same roots - and lots of code, I bet)

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone

Operations aren't paused. Hyperion is still trading in so far as you can buy the OS, development and testing continue, so the risk is more one of loss of confidence, none of you lot have any confidence in them anyway, so no problem there either (That last was humour, I do think it is a real problem).

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paolone 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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ehehehe I wonder why you think that... :D

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@broadblues

After 1994 some of AmigaOs3.x developments haven't stopped but Commodore was already bankrupt.

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Massi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I don' t know about Belgium, in Italy this kind of things can really take ages, bureaucracy ...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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So you think someone might just wander along and make us a present?
Privately owned and proprietary things get open sourced all the time.

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Or that we could (again) invest in some other initiative that has a good chance to turn out to be scam, because we would be dealing with.. whom exactly?
Crowd funding could work with the right legal framework in place.

The alternative is likely that it goes into a black hole and nobody can either develop the OS further or even get their hands on a copy legitimately.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I know another one... forget the ources and concentrate on the alternatives that are in development.

We do not know what will happen

Perhaps the old 3.1. sources get free then but I do not know the legal side

3.5/3.9 never belonged to Hyperion

The changes/additions of 4.X are unknown to me, what belongs to the contributors and what belongs to Hyperion. I either do not know what contracts these contributors have signed, if it were just NDAs and how the legal side is regarding the contributions.

Perhaps we will know more details if it is clear how it goes on. Perhaps bankruptsy will be removed and all will go on like before or they will stay bankrupt and then we will see what this would mean regarding brand and AmigaOS. Too early to say. But in any case it will not be the end and there are always alternatives.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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If a company is Bankrupt, they wouldn't be trading mate. You might still be able to buy product that's already in the hands of distribution, but they shouldn't be operating as a going concern.

If you are put in the hands of an administrator, that's different. A bank (or other creditor) assigns a company to run the business and decide what changes to make in the best interest of its creditor(s) - sale of business or restructuring or asset stripping or a combination of all of these.

As for testing and development? I have no doubt this is continuing. After all, it appears people weren't getting paid before hand, why not carry on developing OS4 for free?

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damocles 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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perations aren't paused. Hyperion is still trading in so far as you can buy the OS, development and testing continue


As long as Bert has approved it, sales and work can continue on. I have to wonder if Bert has given each OS4 Dev permission to continue on development or if Bert even knows it's going on or not.

I'll presume that Belgium curators are paid the same way as US trustees are. If this continues on for six or more months, there is going to be one heck of a curator bill that will have to be paid first before the creditors.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

Who would generate registration keys in either instance you describe?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

Who would generate registration keys in either instance you describe?

#6


Either the Accountant handling the business doesn't know this is going on, or the company isn't bankrupt but is in fact in administration. As people seem to keep saying Bert is running things.... Is he running things or is he the one in charge of winding the company up - big difference.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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In Belgium it takes longer, believe me.

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damocles 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

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Either the Accountant handling the business doesn't know this is going on, or the company isn't bankrupt but is in fact in administration. As people seem to keep saying Bert is running things.... Is he running things or is he the one in charge of winding the company up - big difference.


What really needs to happen is one of the Amiga News bloggers needs to setup a phone interview with Bert and get the facts straight from Bert's mouth.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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by Dirk-B on 13-Mar-2015 18:55:29 @damocles



Well this one looks more capable then the last Hyperion administrator.



Well this one looks more capable then the last Hyperion administrator.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@damocles

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What really needs to happen is one of the Amiga News bloggers needs to setup a phone interview with Bert and get the facts straight from Bert's mouth.


You might recall the interview in 2007 with Denise Howell on Amiga Roundtable, during the Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion Entertainment VOF dispute.
She was only to discuss the generalities of contract law, without specifics relating to the case.

I don't see how an interview with Bert would allow anything different, and we already have the generalities in this thread based on examination of similar cases and from Belgians themselves who seem familiar with this.

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damocles 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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You might recall the interview in 2007 with Denise Howell on Amiga Roundtable, during the Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion Entertainment VOF dispute. She was only to discuss the generalities of contract law, without specifics relating to the case. I don't see how an interview with Bert would allow anything different, and we already have the generalities in this thread based on examination of similar cases and from Belgians themselves who seem familiar with this.


Difference being that was an active law suit and counter law suit vs this a very public case of forced bankruptcy with a court appointed curator. A possible general question is what a company can and can not do in the same circumstances that Hyperion finds itself in as it pertains to Belgium laws and regulations.

It really depends on how someone phrases the question.


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I know another one... forget the ources and concentrate on the alternatives that are in development.


Or just completely abandon it and create the alternative.

What code really exists that is critical?

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