To be honest I prefer Audio Evolution over HD-REC for actual recording of "real" instruments, but I decided to see what I could get out of HD-REC and this is the result.

https://www.reverbnation.com/andybroad/song/25299024-instrumental-rough-mix

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listening now while replying. very nice indeed. you know, with hd-rec, audio evolution, bars and pipes, phonolith, horny, sound fx, CAMD, digibooster, et al, it's amazing what can be done on our NG amigas with a mix of newer and older software.

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@eliyahu

glad you like it.

Yeah, with a mix and match approach you can do quite a lot. Some config tweaking required here an there too.

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NIce solo on 'Holding These Feelings'.

One can't help but reflect on the fact that blues is a very suitable genre for the Amiga.

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eliyahu wrote: @broadblues listening now while replying. very nice indeed. you know, with hd-rec, audio evolution, bars and pipes, phonolith, horny, sound fx, CAMD, digibooster, et al, it's amazing what can be done on our NG amigas with a mix of newer and older software. -- eliyahu

... almost sounds like you're on a little OS4-campaign trail of your own

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... almost sounds like you're on a little OS4-campaign trail of your own

heh. no. but i did want to point out that there is a nice selection of software available. plus i really enjoyed the track.

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To be honest I prefer Audio Evolution over HD-REC for actual recording of "real" instruments, but I decided to see what I could get out of HD-REC and this is the result.

of curiosity, why is this preference? i have only once or twice tested ae on pc or uae i guess and have not came far with it. however hd-rec was my choice for hd recording on one of my a4000, mostly multiple tracks of quite dirty guitars, almost no effect, therefor admittedly rather basic demands, but being 32bit integer vs cubase being internally float it though always sounded in comparison more crisp and was immediately easy to set up or even to turn up on demand. this all with some basic old sounblaster card picked up from trash. this is one of the last serious applications i can think of for my amigas. ;)

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of curiosity, why is this preference?

1. Audio Evolution has better AudioMode Selection.

HD-Rec just brings up the system prefs which means modifying tsuff at a system global level which should be set by at an application level.

2. Audio Evolution has a 'drop in' / 'punch in'facility.

3. Audio Evolution has automation which means when mixing you can vary the parameters of the EQ gain compression whatever over the duration of the song.

HD_rec has no autmation which means any adjustments to samples recorded need to be done in the editor window and are destructive (they change the sample) there is undo ofcourse but that's not the same as just moveing a point on an automation line till you get the right sound.

AE4's downside is a lack of MIDI, though you can link it to Horny via extreme, this isn't quite as comfortable.

All the above is IMHO and from a mostly acoustic musicians bias, someone interested more in MIDI based music might have oposing sentiments.

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I knew it was you!

This is the second time lately I've heard of lack of MIDI in AE. Well it does support MIDI but not enough or not in the way that is needed. So I'm told.

Yes the automation is good once you get the hang of it. And even easier for some things than modern software I've tried. Including the dual delay which I find works really well.

To my knowledge, AE doesen't have a tempo map that I could see. So unless you have robotic timing a bit hard to grid a "real" instrument.

@wawa

Even 32-bit int should be enough overhead for 65,536 16-bit samples or 256 24-bit samples. Before you master it down to 16 or 24-bit.

But FP is popular these days. Mostly for FX. And for "cheating" by allowing the samples to be distorted without signal loss.

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I knew it was you!

Who else?

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This is the second time lately I've heard of lack of MIDI in AE. Well it does support MIDI but not enough or not in the way that is needed. So I'm told.

It's got support for starting and being started from other midi programs like horney or bars and pipes etc. I've used this but it's a little tricky to setup, and if you have no external midi synth you'll likely need two sound crads one for AE4 one for the midi program (done this on my SAM with the on board sound, but it suffers from interference on my SAM)

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Yes the automation is good once you get the hang of it. And even easier for some things than modern software I've tried. Including the dual delay which I find works really well.

It meets most of my needs though there are a couple of quirks.

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To my knowledge, AE doesen't have a tempo map that I could see. So unless you have robotic timing a bit hard to grid a "real" instrument.

It's got a metronome, so play along to that, if the groove is more complex you can alwaya create and export a drum track from HD-REC but I don't think either of them have variable tempo.

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What hardware are you using to record? Based on the quality I'm pretty sure that a chep sblive and "low-cost PC microphone" weren't involved

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@broadblues

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Who else?

No one else I know of. Pretty much got it covered there.

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t's got support for starting and being started from other midi programs like horney or bars and pipes etc

Okay that is a shame MIDI wasn't developed futher for it.

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It meets most of my needs though there are a couple of quirks.

I find it works really well for a stereo delay. I tried it on vocals and a minute later I almost had the timing I wanted.

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It's got a metronome, so play along to that, if the groove is more complex you can alwaya create and export a drum track from HD-REC but I don't think either of them have variable tempo.

Yes a metronome could be used but that is forcing the musician to a strict tempo. With a whack of the rhythm stick. Hit me. Hit me.

Most real music and especially drums have the BPM all over the place. Well that is it might vary by 5% for each beat or bar.

The exception being tempo based techno. But since that isn't real music...

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What hardware are you using to record? Based on the quality I'm pretty sure that a chep sblive and "low-cost PC microphone" weren't involved

I have a Terratec phase 22 sound card installed in my SAM Flex. Using the Envy24HT driver. Whilst being quite minimalist in some ways (no monitoring of the record input (at least not with our driver) for example) it has good quality full size jack sockets (standard 1/4 inch sockets as used by most instruments). Not having to fiddle arround with jack to mini jack adapters which always end up crackling half way through a recording, is a big boon.

No microphone was used in this case as I used a Line 6 Pod Pro amp simulator direct into my mixing desk for the guitar and bass parts.

When I do use a mic I have a Rode NT-24 condesor mic for vocals / acoustic guitar recording, which is an exceptionally good mic for the price. Needs phantom power so I have to use it with an external mixer.

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I'm wondering how did you manage to get AE working reliable. I have it crashing too easily.

Listening to those sample clips I started to become more interested to this kind of music. It could be good to listen to while doing programming. It's fancy how much one man can do accompaning himself and stomping his foot. (I started wondering to mic my foot while playing a synth.)

@broadblues
You have really good guitar playing skills.

I'm wondering how do you find time for all of that, programming, being musician and so on.

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Another one we shouldn't forget is Pro Station Audio. Last I heard of this it was packaged on a bundle with MorphOS 1.4. And doesn't work on MOS 2.x. Sounded quite advanced. Be good to have the source!