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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:35:44
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@TheAMIgaOne

Haeh?

And I never realised that you are the owner of "AmigaOne"

Obviously you are the defender of the faith I guess

It is here not about legal issues but style. I do not know why Cloanto not contacted him before, normally they are friendly

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TheAMIgaOne 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:36:54
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@Hypex

Cloanto said at Amiga30th that they have been acquiring the copyrights for any material before (something like 1995) hence they are the largest legal source of Games/Software/Videos/ which they bundle in with AmigaForever and C64Forever.

As with any company, they will protect and hold claims to there assets, just like Hyperion over the WB source code.

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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:43:21
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@TheAMIgaOne

if noone buys anything from you because all hate you you do not win anything, don´t you?

It is a small community, nobody needs amiga or anything related, if a big hole opens and anything amiga-related disappears noone in world would even realize it. It is a hobby, the community is small and you rely on goodwill of people to buy from you. It is not a good strategy to make you unpopular in such a small community.

But as I wrote, my own contacts all were very friendly so I am a little surprised about it. Would be interesting to hear "Cloantos" view of it.

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TheAMIgaOne 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:43:45
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@OlafS25

Someone probably reported the video for copyright grounds and it went back to Cloanto to grant the claim, so probably just a yes or no to youtube claim and Youtube did the rest.

Or was it purely automatic, Youtube does sound recognition and Video recognition to identify ownership which would automatically flag a copyright claim if cloanto has submitted the original video as the owner in the past.

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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:44:44
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"just like Hyperion"

you name it

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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:45:59
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I think if reported to youtube all runs automatically, they not even check if claims are valid

but of course first there must be someone to report. They do not act without it

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TheAMIgaOne 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:54:21
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@OlafS25

True, so It could be just down to some third party reporting the video, which means Cloanto could be getting misjudged for someone elses actions.

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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 9:56:25
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I did not read in all details so i do not know if anybody could act in name of copyright owners without knowledge or informing the copyright owner

BTW I think the take down of 3.1 sources also was initiated by Cloanto (not Hyperion) if i remember right. So it can be that they acted at this video, perhaps not. If yes I am not sure if they are aware of how it damages their reputation in the community. We will see...

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Rose 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 10:02:23
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@OlafS25

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But as I wrote, my own contacts all were very friendly so I am a little surprised about it. Would be interesting to hear "Cloantos" view of it.
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Could have something to do with said video being monetized.....

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OlafS25 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 10:07:15
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@Rose

perhaps but still someone in the community must monetize your offerings otherwise it becomes worthless. It is shortsighted in my view if all that is the case...

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Rose 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 10:12:48
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@OlafS25

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perhaps but still someone in the community must monetize your offerings otherwise it becomes worthless. It is shortsighted in my view if all that is the case...


That makes as much sense as selling knockoff copies of Amiga Forever so it won't become worthless.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 11:37:08
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@amigang

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I would like to know that, how did a license agreement to use Amiga roms and workbench for there emulator allow them to gets rights to stuff like this, if any has right to claim I thought it would be Amiga Inc.

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html

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what happened to "So the world may know!" theme of Amiga world.

That was never the theme of Amiga world, it was a religious phrase abused by a pathological liar to rip off Amiga users.

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Hopefully some kind of agreement can be made and Amiga users like me who only want to promote the Amiga brand don't get forced out of the community.

Stop being such a drama queen.

@pavlor:

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Even with all rights, Cloanto should use more subtle approach than that. After all, you are an Amiga fan, not money hungry vulture.

The guy was trying to monetarize his videos. If he doesn't use a "subtle approach", why should Cloanto?

Plus, he seems to be somewhat creative with the truth - initially, it was just one short video clip from the Amiga launch, when people started wondering how he can have features of his account disabled for just one small copyright violation, he mentioned having "three strikes", and somewhere in the middle of all his fingerpointing at Cloanto, he announces that he has "made every video that I think they could claim private".

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pavlor 
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Posted on 27-May-2016 11:47:43
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The guy was trying to monetarize his videos.


By his own words with no success.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 11:53:12
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By his own words with no success.

Maybe, but how is Cloanto supposed to know that?

Not to mention that "without success" is not an excuse.

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amigang 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 15:09:03
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Update: Cloanto have been in touch they are working behind the scene to reverse the stikes, no idea if the video can come back online, they are looking into the matter as they said they dont really activity police Youtube, but because of recent commercial films they kind have been forced to tighten control (from the sound of things, not really by there choice). hopefully we can get though this, and both sides can learn from it. thanks for your support guys.

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amigang 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 15:34:59
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@cgutjahr

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Stop being such a drama queen.

Sorry if I come across like that, I was a bit upset last night, 9 years running a channel with 129 videos, 600 subs and over a million views to loose that work would be upsetting.

Quote:
The guy was trying to monetarize his videos. If he doesn't use a "subtle approach", why should Cloanto?

I hold my hands up to this one and have apologies to the owners of the content, we are now working on a solution. Still to pay for an advert to reach a million users would cost a lot of money.


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Plus, he seems to be somewhat creative with the truth - initially, it was just one short video clip from the Amiga launch, when people started wondering how he can have features of his account disabled for just one small copyright violation, he mentioned having "three strikes", and somewhere in the middle of all his fingerpointing at Cloanto,


start of the week I had no strikes on my channel, only one copyright claim on some music, which is different and did not cause a strike on my channel. Most Content ID system done by Youtube system doesn't give you a strike, it just disable that video, or monetises it for the copyright holder. A strike is much more serious as it can delete your channel. I've never had one for the last 9 years, got two in the past few days and it only when tow community backed films Amiga Years has come out and Viva Amiga is due out has this happened and I dont really think its Cloanto fault. Hopefully I can work something out with them.

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he announces that he has "made every video that I think they could claim private"
I dont know who owns what any more, I wrongly assumed most of the videos would be in copyright limbo, with the original producers i.e Commdore no longer around to ask permission to post these videos online for all to see.

Again I openly admit I made a few mistakes, I'm at fault here too. I hope I can work with Cloanto and any other rights holder to allow Amiga media to be enjoyed by all.


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Hypex 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 15:57:32
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@amigang

Yes it is strange that somehow one of the last Amiga software companies manages to not only put together an Amiga emulation PC softare package and extras but gets the rights to the Amiga ROM and OS. I don't know if they bought this off Amiga Inc or what.

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Hypex 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 16:00:16
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@TheAMIgaOne

WB source code. The one source code that hasn't been updated.

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broadblues 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 17:46:43
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@amigang

Glad to hear you talking with Cloanto, that's the way to sort this sort of thing out.

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broadblues 
Re: Old Amiga Video should they be copyrighted?
Posted on 27-May-2016 17:50:03
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@Hypex

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WB source code. The one source code that hasn't been updated.


Sorry? In what context hasn't it been updated?

It's got heaps of smaller feature updates in AmigaOS 4.1 whilst still being sessentially Workbench, latest has thumbnail generation in place of icons it desired.



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