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pavlor 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 23-Jul-2016 7:56:34
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@Hans

Passively cooled cards are only reason for HD5000/6000 support. Yes, there are HD 7750/R7 250E models with passive cooling, but these are hard to find and too bulky.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@thread

I think the point of my thread has been lost or maybe not expressed properly in the first place. When I said performance, I'm not talking about how many hundreds of frames per second. I'm just saying that a system can seem unusable and / or disappointing. Add the right hardware and software and performance becomes what you expect in a computer. Adding a graphics accelerator and drivers made Blender go from barely usable to "expected". It doesn't take an extremely fast computer to produce the performance you expect when browsing the internet, for example. Conversely if the performance isn't what you expect that computer is too slow and there is something wrong with it. Unfortunately current AmigaOne browsers don't give the performance I expect when using the internet. I'm sure the right hardware or software would change that and give performance comparable to my Windows computers. People might think browsers aren't important, but they could be the most important thing, since that's what are used the most.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 23-Jul-2016 17:01:03
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@thinkchip

Turn OFF javascript in Odyssey and feel the difference.

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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 23-Jul-2016 17:30:04
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@thinkchip


The problem is the Java script Jit not present on Big Endian but only on Little endian
If was present the Jit the browser will fly on Odissey too .
Big endian performance are not to slow compared little endian what differ are the numbers of developers on the platform... i think this is one of the reason why IBM swap the Power8 and Power9 on Little Endian

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 0:57:44
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@thinkchip

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thinkchip wrote:
Something happened recently that changed my entire perception of the AmigaOne series. I found out what can happen when you have the right hardware with the right driver and software that can take advantage of it. I'm talking about a graphics card / Radeon driver / Warp3D driver / Blender combination that I installed recently. The difference that the right hardware and software can make to performance is astounding.

It demonstrates the unrealized potential of the computer. Every Windows computer comes with performance enhancing hardware and software / drivers. Without it they would probably seem as slow as a base AmigaOne.

I don't feel like my SAM is crippled anymore. It's just handicapped by the lack of the right hardware / software. Maybe every AmigaOne should come with a good graphics card and drivers like a Windows computer. It could change the common perception that AmigaOnes are underpowered and slow. Reputation is very important when it comes to computers.

Swftshader 3.0 (Direct3D9c multi-treading CPU renderer) can run Xbox 360 level games on fast Intel CPUs.

Swftshader 3.0 doesn't support 256bit Intel AVX SIMD.


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Last edited by Hammer on 24-Jul-2016 at 01:05 AM.
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Hans 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 3:36:46
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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@Hans

Passively cooled cards are only reason for HD5000/6000 support. Yes, there are HD 7750/R7 250E models with passive cooling, but these are hard to find and too bulky.

You'll have to excuse me getting a little irritated, but I've made it very clear what the current situation is. Repeating various reasons why you want support for older cards doesn't change reality.

If you want support for older cards then start looking for someone else who has the time and ability to make it happen.

Hans

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 7:00:56
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@Hans

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Repeating various reasons why you want support for older cards doesn't change reality.


Fair enough. I just find amusing the idea of Tabor board using monster-hot-loud GFX card to get basic 3D.

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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 8:12:08
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@pavlor

Will be like a first coreduo with pcie 2.0 16x faster gfx card ad faster ram
for my experiments in x86 world if supported with good drivers one configuration like this can gave great results.

On old P4 dual 3.0ghz with a pci-pcie adaptor and 6570HD i was able to play Battlefield 3, lastest rayman, and Xcom... Arma3 beta gave me 15fps at 1280x1024 and i was able to play without problems full hd video on youtube. And on this machine ram was a slow ddr 400

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:04:25
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@pavlor

Yeah this look like it generates a lot of heat and noise.

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pavlor 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:12:23
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@Rob

No fan = no noise.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:16:21
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@pavlor

But more heat You'll most probably need a fan on your case.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:51:30
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@Rob

What model is that card?
I'm having a big trouble finding a single slot, "low price" card for my Sam460ex!
All the reasonably priced cards are not available any more or sold out...
Still looking for a "cheap Warp3D" card.

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Rob 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:08:08
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@Nicsoft

Club 3D R7 250 Low Profile (CGAX-R7252L).

Acube have it listed on their site.

Link

Not sure if €99.00 + tax is what you consider cheap but I couldn't find it much cheaper elsewhere.

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outrun1978 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:39:38
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@thread

Amazon sell it for about £80.... I've got one in my Sam460cr set up and works fine.... As for the noise well what noise it's a fan and It's pretty quiet...

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:43:47
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https://www.amazon.com/Club3D-Profile-PCI-Express-Graphics-CGAX-R7252L/dp/B00NMXVU3S/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1469360544&sr=8-6&keywords=club+3d+radeon+r7

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paolone 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:20:43
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@tlosm

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tlosm wrote:
@paolone

sorry but the performance of quake on P4 2.4ghz (2002) is inline with this last performances



Software rendering too

or you are say that the pc performances of a 14years machine have to be equal to a newest one?


Nope, I was replying to this:

Quote:
tlosm wrote:
@fishy_fis Check the P4 2.4 ghz quake gl on radeonhd 5450 (640x480)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13690972_10206677578999723_6907521599748364557_o.jpg


Where you were talking about GLquake (which should mean 'hardware accelerated') running on a P4 and a Radeon HD card. In your latest post, by the way, you're showing a new benchmark surpassing the 200 fps mark (which means much faster than the old one).

So, please explain better, of I have to understand that you somehow got better software performances on the same PC than accelerated one (software vs GL), which places serious doubts about your whole benchmarking sessions.

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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:39:02
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@paolone

Is the best i can have on P4 2.4ghz (2002) 640x480 with all glquake versions.
darkplace or quakespasm made worst results

Last edited by tlosm on 24-Jul-2016 at 01:39 PM.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:53:25
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@Severin

There is two options here, you don't know that Radeon HD7XXX cards doesn't work with Sam440ep Flex or you have found one wich works.

You have Sam 440ep Flex yoursefl, so do you have Radeon HD7XXX card wich works with your Sam 440ep Flex???

Another option is uboot update wich doesn't seems to likely. :(

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blakespot 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 24-Jul-2016 15:04:00
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@thinkchip

I have a SAM 440ep-Flex and it's running at 733 MHz. I have a Radeon 9250 installed with 256MB mem (full width data path). The performance improvements you are describing our to do solely with the Graphics performance, correct? You say you no longer feel your SAM is crippled.

Where I feel it is somewhat crippled is in CPU performance. It would be nice to be able to RunInUAE at actual Amiga speed, for instance. There is no help in this area here, correct?

Thanks.


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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@blakespot

320x256, Lowres, Single lines, frameskip 2. If this doesn´t help, there is nothing more you can do.

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