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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 7:56:34
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Passively cooled cards are only reason for HD5000/6000 support. Yes, there are HD 7750/R7 250E models with passive cooling, but these are hard to find and too bulky. |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 13:57:25
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I think the point of my thread has been lost or maybe not expressed properly in the first place. When I said performance, I'm not talking about how many hundreds of frames per second. I'm just saying that a system can seem unusable and / or disappointing. Add the right hardware and software and performance becomes what you expect in a computer. Adding a graphics accelerator and drivers made Blender go from barely usable to "expected". It doesn't take an extremely fast computer to produce the performance you expect when browsing the internet, for example. Conversely if the performance isn't what you expect that computer is too slow and there is something wrong with it. Unfortunately current AmigaOne browsers don't give the performance I expect when using the internet. I'm sure the right hardware or software would change that and give performance comparable to my Windows computers. People might think browsers aren't important, but they could be the most important thing, since that's what are used the most.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 17:01:03
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Turn OFF javascript in Odyssey and feel the difference. |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 17:30:04
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The problem is the Java script Jit not present on Big Endian but only on Little endian If was present the Jit the browser will fly on Odissey too . Big endian performance are not to slow compared little endian what differ are the numbers of developers on the platform... i think this is one of the reason why IBM swap the Power8 and Power9 on Little Endian _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 0:57:44
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thinkchip wrote: Something happened recently that changed my entire perception of the AmigaOne series. I found out what can happen when you have the right hardware with the right driver and software that can take advantage of it. I'm talking about a graphics card / Radeon driver / Warp3D driver / Blender combination that I installed recently. The difference that the right hardware and software can make to performance is astounding.
It demonstrates the unrealized potential of the computer. Every Windows computer comes with performance enhancing hardware and software / drivers. Without it they would probably seem as slow as a base AmigaOne.
I don't feel like my SAM is crippled anymore. It's just handicapped by the lack of the right hardware / software. Maybe every AmigaOne should come with a good graphics card and drivers like a Windows computer. It could change the common perception that AmigaOnes are underpowered and slow. Reputation is very important when it comes to computers.
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Swftshader 3.0 (Direct3D9c multi-treading CPU renderer) can run Xbox 360 level games on fast Intel CPUs.
Swftshader 3.0 doesn't support 256bit Intel AVX SIMD.
Last edited by Hammer on 24-Jul-2016 at 01:12 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 24-Jul-2016 at 01:05 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 24-Jul-2016 at 01:00 AM.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 3:36:46
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Passively cooled cards are only reason for HD5000/6000 support. Yes, there are HD 7750/R7 250E models with passive cooling, but these are hard to find and too bulky. |
You'll have to excuse me getting a little irritated, but I've made it very clear what the current situation is. Repeating various reasons why you want support for older cards doesn't change reality.
If you want support for older cards then start looking for someone else who has the time and ability to make it happen.
Hans
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 7:00:56
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Repeating various reasons why you want support for older cards doesn't change reality. |
Fair enough. I just find amusing the idea of Tabor board using monster-hot-loud GFX card to get basic 3D. |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 8:12:08
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Will be like a first coreduo with pcie 2.0 16x faster gfx card ad faster ram for my experiments in x86 world if supported with good drivers one configuration like this can gave great results.
On old P4 dual 3.0ghz with a pci-pcie adaptor and 6570HD i was able to play Battlefield 3, lastest rayman, and Xcom... Arma3 beta gave me 15fps at 1280x1024 and i was able to play without problems full hd video on youtube. And on this machine ram was a slow ddr 400
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:04:25
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Yeah this look like it generates a lot of heat and noise.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:12:23
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No fan = no noise. |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:16:21
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But more heat You'll most probably need a fan on your case. _________________ Philippe 'Elwood' Ferrucci Sam460 1.10 Ghz AmigaOS 4 betatester Amiga Translator Organisation |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 9:51:30
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What model is that card? I'm having a big trouble finding a single slot, "low price" card for my Sam460ex! All the reasonably priced cards are not available any more or sold out... Still looking for a "cheap Warp3D" card.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:08:08
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Club 3D R7 250 Low Profile (CGAX-R7252L).
Acube have it listed on their site.
Link
Not sure if €99.00 + tax is what you consider cheap but I couldn't find it much cheaper elsewhere. |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:39:38
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Amazon sell it for about £80.... I've got one in my Sam460cr set up and works fine.... As for the noise well what noise it's a fan and It's pretty quiet... _________________ Amigaone X5000/20 4GB Radeon RX 550 Polaris 12 AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition Update 1 Amiga 1200 Workbench 3.1.4 Amiga CD32 |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 11:43:47
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:20:43
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sorry but the performance of quake on P4 2.4ghz (2002) is inline with this last performances
Software rendering too
or you are say that the pc performances of a 14years machine have to be equal to a newest one? |
Nope, I was replying to this:
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Where you were talking about GLquake (which should mean 'hardware accelerated') running on a P4 and a Radeon HD card. In your latest post, by the way, you're showing a new benchmark surpassing the 200 fps mark (which means much faster than the old one).
So, please explain better, of I have to understand that you somehow got better software performances on the same PC than accelerated one (software vs GL), which places serious doubts about your whole benchmarking sessions. Last edited by paolone on 24-Jul-2016 at 09:30 PM.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:39:02
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Is the best i can have on P4 2.4ghz (2002) 640x480 with all glquake versions. darkplace or quakespasm made worst results
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 13:53:25
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There is two options here, you don't know that Radeon HD7XXX cards doesn't work with Sam440ep Flex or you have found one wich works.
You have Sam 440ep Flex yoursefl, so do you have Radeon HD7XXX card wich works with your Sam 440ep Flex???
Another option is uboot update wich doesn't seems to likely. :( |
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 15:04:00
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I have a SAM 440ep-Flex and it's running at 733 MHz. I have a Radeon 9250 installed with 256MB mem (full width data path). The performance improvements you are describing our to do solely with the Graphics performance, correct? You say you no longer feel your SAM is crippled.
Where I feel it is somewhat crippled is in CPU performance. It would be nice to be able to RunInUAE at actual Amiga speed, for instance. There is no help in this area here, correct?
Thanks.
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Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 24-Jul-2016 17:06:06
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320x256, Lowres, Single lines, frameskip 2. If this doesn´t help, there is nothing more you can do. |
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