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Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 0:14:00
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 0:27:33
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If it were true, I think we developers and beta-testers would have heard of it.
It is significant that the page has been taken down.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 0:31:25
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it was a 'reprint' of an uninformed, inaccurate, and generally pointless blog post from helge kvalheim. considering the guy has been banned from every major amiga forum -- and even the hyperion support forum -- i don't think it's necessary to remind folks to always consider the source when reading stuff like this.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 3:02:52
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You can still find the article on Distrita: http://distrita.com/helgiscorner-death-hyperion-entertainment/
I don't know what happened to Helgis nor why he is banned across the board but he came across as a real positive Amiga supporter to me. That said, I'm not always positive and am openly critical at times, but I found this article to be offensive and unnecessarily so. And also unwise to publish such a defaming article about a lawyer.
I also think Distrita should check what they publish as the article is badly written, makes assumptions and starts talking about subjects without first explaining what that subject is.
A few points. Nova? No, no mention of it. It makes reference to the obsolete bankruptcy and then claims among other things that concentrating on PowerPC brought it about. Well, kernel aside, what OS4 would lack is software in certain departments, which could still happen regardless of CPU, so no.
It also claims MorphOS is going x86 but to my knowledge this is unconfirmed and still pending.
It then claims FE Final Update was the last work before the bankruptcy. Unless there has been a new bankruptcy this contradicts itself.
Next it claims AEON will buy Hyperion up and after investing money in PowerPC machines will then abandon it and stop producing hardware. And to then contact Microsoft and common CPU manufacturers with a view to bring the old Amiga Inc. OS5 idea to common x86 PC hardware. Yeah right. I don't think so! |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 4:01:12
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 4:27:56
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I really liked to read the blog.
I have more or less the same opinion about Hyperion Entertainment.
I'm also pretty sure AmigaOS will be owned by A-EON one day.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 6:13:30
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| "Hyperion in bankrupt"
It should be true otherwise how do you explain that no FE update is published since around 2 years ? No others explanations are possible
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 6:41:20
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I pretty doubt that PowerPC support would cause the dead of Hyperion.
These articles are just a way to incite Hyperion to go to x86.
What causes all this fuss is not the PowerPC support, it's only the loud silence coming from Hyperion about AmigaOS development, that's all.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 6:45:16
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Helgis has supplied zero evidence that Hyperion Entertainment CVBA is dead._________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 7:37:32
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It's more or less a re-post of a *private* persons blog. I wouldn't call that "news". It may be an "opinion". But nowadays "facts" and "opinions" seem to be a synonym... _________________ X1000|II/G4|440ep|2000/060|2000/040|1000 |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 8:06:20
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Thanks for that. I didn't know he had a blog. Or I never recall one. By the looks of it, it may have been posted, but was leeched before he pulled it himself.
I also have to ask, is the Dead story the work of Helgis? Or is it an attempt to defame him in some sort of Helgis hacking attempt Subterfuge I tell you.
HKvalhe. What is the HKvalue? Has he gone up? Last edited by Hypex on 04-Aug-2016 at 08:07 AM.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 9:19:07
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I dont give GenerationAmigaPro any value to their news articles.
They also keep getting banned from Facebook groups for spamming.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 9:46:16
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Helgis was/is a weird person like many others in our community. We have a phrase here "to be crazy is not a requirement but very helpful"
Finally it is a hobby and all left are hobby OSs done by people mainly for fun in spare time (with few exceptions mostly paid by a-eon). From a user point of view currently there is no big difference between Hyperion officially bankrupt or not because of no activity. I personal do not believe they are "completely dead", I more assume it is a "living zombie"
Finally who cares...
Even the FPGA based development will not change history in my view despite being interesting of course... but even in best case pure hobby. But for some in the community amiga (or AmigaOS, PPC or whatever) is a replacement for religion. I think Helgis belonged to that group. And when his too high expectations were disappointed he changed to a fanatic hater. Last edited by OlafS25 on 04-Aug-2016 at 09:49 AM.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 9:47:59
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Helge might have been overly active, but then again all HEALTHY communities should be able to entertain all types of people. As long as their overarching perspective is positive to the goal of that community. And I feel confident that Helge has been extremely positive towards AOS 4.x. He might be in disagreement how Hyperion is operating, but thats different than the overarching goal of the community.
Ive been in the Vampire community for over a year now (I think, times flies and all that) (IRC channel), and it really got the COMMUNITY part 100% right. The developers communicate when they have time or feel so inclined, and luckily they do quite a bit, to the point we have learned some of their personal quirks. If Kippa aint replying, hes probarly soldering OR kicked back watching a fotball match with a beer on his belly. The latter most likely.
Then you got Majsta; hes probarly hanging out the window yelling at people fixing/revving their carengines just outside his apartment (house?).
Its gotten to the point where people consider the IRC regulars as their extended family, and communication of delays or progress is done with no effort, because we understand development process is a challenge, espesially with limited manpower. 99% of the community understands, and the remaining 1%, oh well, cant make EVERYBODY happy.
This is where Hyperion has gone wrong, in MY opinion, complete lack of communication. Dont get me wrong; I enjoy watching ssolies speeches at AmiWest, and I really mean that. He comes off as a good guy and all that. But compared to Apollo-team; there is no contest.
On day ONE of joining Apollo-Team IRC, I had questions about how to get my A1200 online: Mechy (the powersupply producer) convoed me, and took many hours out of that evening talking me thru setting the amiga up (all the things I had forgotten or never knew). Such friendly enviroment ensures that newcomers turns into stayers and regulars.
I had the same yesterday. A random dude showed up with questions, and I ended up in a conversation with him. Turns out he was a oldtime coder just returning to Amiga, and now he seems to be hooked and eager to code again/be creative.
A friendly and responsive community goes a LONG way to offset the relative slow development process if you compare it to mainstream pace.
Lack of information makes people frustrated and ensures people make their own conclusions.
Hyperion making 1 or 2 posts a year doesnt cut it, and in that I agree with Helge 100%. Last edited by Overflow on 04-Aug-2016 at 10:14 AM.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 10:00:42
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from a user point of view without any communication or updates Hyperion and AmigaOS is dead, whatever might be true from a legal point of view. And it is not a good idea to not communicate with your customers as it is not a good idea not to support important parts of your community who bought "Classic" to use it on UAE. It is a strange company, operating different to say it politely. And yes the way apollo/vampire team communicates is much better.
But finally it is not important what they do except for Trevor D. who has lots of hardware that might become more or less worthless without AmigaOS. I do not believe that with current strategy they will ever win new users outside and to change direction it is too late already. Also I read that there exist long-term contracts between a-eon and Hyperion regarding PPC so finally both depend on each other. Outside that who cares... |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 10:01:18
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+1 _________________ Sometimes we give people a lot of credit just because they’re writing nice sentences even if it isn’t adding up to much. |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 10:07:04
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| Maybe the this blog talks alot of bull but there is some good points also.
Like how could a company like hyperion gets their hands on the AmigaOS dev... anyway. I have not heard about them before.
and making a amiga based on a cpu that is not made any more.
Well this is what the legacy after commodore/escom/cow pc company/ :)
It makes me just very sad when I see the state of the worlds greatest computer thank god we have a group who brings amiga forward apollo-team (vampire).
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 10:15:00
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I can remember someone from Hyperion mentioning in a article that they spent 2 Mio. Dollar (or 2.5 Mio cannot remember) in AmigaOS, also we do not know how the financial and legal situation is around AmigaOS. Additionally further OS development is expensive, Trevor D. would need to invest lots of money for a long time. It is his hobby and the AmigaOS fans can be happy to have someone who has money and is willing to risk it for such a unprofitable adventure but I assume he is not willing to spend that much money on it. |
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 10:33:46
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Please refrain from discussing Helge Kvalheim (Helgis) as a person, since he can not defend himself on this forum.
The reasons he is banned on Amigaworld are very valid, and won't be changed.
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Re: Amiga site reports Hyperion in bankrupt and A-Eon acquired AmigaOS (Fake?) Posted on 4-Aug-2016 11:00:19
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