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Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 3:10:45
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| Hello. I was thinking about Amiga 3D Games and wanted to find out how many were 3D accelerated. Does anyone here know about this. Thanks. _________________ John 3:16 |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 5:13:07
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| @Trekiej Under what amiga tribe? |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 5:40:37
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Sorry, I should have said under Classic Amiga.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 13:18:08
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Trekiej wrote: t how many were 3D accelerated.. |
so do you intend OpenGL games?_________________
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 15:16:32
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Commercial: Heretic 2 (requires PPC) Quake Quake 2 Vipeout 2097 (requires PPC) Shogo (requires PPC)
Other ports: various Quake ports Hexen 2 various Descent ports etc. |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 15:44:37
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 16:48:44
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Do you know if Shogo will work on my Samflex? If so, do you know where I might find it for purchase?
_________________ A1000, A500, A600, A1200, CTDV, A2000, A4000 Towered, SAMFLEX 800mhz |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 17:00:58
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Do you know if Shogo will work on my Samflex? |
WarpOS emulation should work on SAM440, installation may be tricky.
There is demo, so you may try yourself. Note: you must set CDDADEVICE and CDDAUNIT in tooltypes, in my case:
CDDADEVICE=cybppc.device CDDAUNIT=1
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 17:34:57
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I would like to find out how far Acceleration went on the Classic Amiga. Would RTG 3D be good to add for Win-UAE, FS-UAE, etc. Also, since there are accelerators being made for Classic Amiga's, are accelerators being planned for them? _________________ John 3:16 |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 18:08:03
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Would RTG 3D be good to add for Win-UAE, FS-UAE, etc. |
There is already such support (Warp3D games can run via Wazp3D with some 3D acceleration, however I wasn´t able to configure such setup...).
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are accelerators being planned for them? |
If you mean cards like Blizzard 1230, then yes, Toni added support for a lot of them. Eg. I use CyberstormPPC emulation. |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 19:30:28
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I would like to find out how far Acceleration went on the Classic Amiga. Would RTG 3D be good to add for Win-UAE, FS-UAE, etc. |
The most advanced card on 68k is the Voodoo 3 and on PPC the Radeon R200. |
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 19:38:53
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How about Voodoo emulation under WinUAE? If that is possible.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 19:46:57
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| @Trekiej Gloom Deluxe for example.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 20:00:18
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 20:15:18
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Thanks, maybe it is just around the corner.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 21:12:09
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I was thinking about Amiga 3D Games and wanted to find out how many were 3D accelerated.
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AFAIK all 3D Games that ran on unexpanded Amigas used the Blitter as accelerator.
But the Blitter could only handle 2D, so all this Amiga 3D games used the 2D accelerator for fast grafics.
The early Amiga was famous for 3D games like the FA/18 Interceptor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09COxXzRKUI
Virus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S6GqqKgEIM
Zeewulf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toz9ngqrhW8
Here is another Amiga game showing 3D grafik accelerated by the 2D Blitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSzcoG7k2FI
AFAIK some Voxel Space games on the Amiga used the Blitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGwFfHv3mY
But this was the time when PC got faster than the Amiga.
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3D games like Wolfenstein used an optimisation for 3D Mapping to vertical objects (walls in a dungeon) that made use of a fast CPU but only needed a GFX card with fast access to single pixels (fast memory access and chunky graphic) this was something that was not supported by the Amiga Blitter.
The first full 3D games on PC where available with optimisation for early 3D cards but soon the Pentium CPUs got faster than early 3D chips on Amiga cards like the Virge DX
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 9-Sep-2016 22:46:31
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Cybercon 3 and A10 Warthog are two that I remember. A10 is one of my favorite games. I do remember a game that had programmable robots and pre-rendered characters. The Amiga Chip-set is wonderful and can do a lot of cool things.
I have seen the C64 do some 3D on YouTube that is impressive.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 10-Sep-2016 8:48:12
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| @Trekiej voodoo emulation would be a lost of (coding) time as Wazp3D already do the job in winuae-68k : in fact it is the fastest classic with 3D ever It should be better to implement native.library in winuae-ppc as it would allow also Wazp3D to be ported to Winuae-ppc (i meam with x86 hardware acceleration)
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 10-Sep-2016 9:07:36
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warptext. you play with opngl games using real 3d acceleration, not via cpu it is a wrapper, but not more developed Last edited by Seiya on 10-Sep-2016 at 09:08 AM.
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Re: Amiga 3D Games Posted on 10-Sep-2016 16:37:32
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| @thellier Since we have PPC emulation, we need Wazp-3D PPC and a library to make it work with X86. Did I under stand it correctly?
@Seiya Thank you. Maybe one of these days I will learn more about hooks and wrappers.
Last edited by Trekiej on 10-Sep-2016 at 04:39 PM.
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