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Most likely no chance and dam expensive but wouldn't it be nice. OS 4/5 on this

https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php

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@g01df1sh

They had a crowdfunding campaign but it failed (they got over 500 000$, but they asked 3.7 Million $). Frankly they asked way too much (3700$ for the motherboard WITHOUT CPU, RAM or anything, and at least 1000$ for a CPU).

A full system was going to be around 7000$, which is insane (for reference, the cheapest Tyan reference OpenPOWER server is around 2800$, and that's with CPU, RAM, Storage and PSU).

To be honest, for a full POWER CPU to be used by an Amiga system, they need multicore and multithread support. These CPU's are massively parallelized (and massively powerful).

@WolfpackN64

Will Os4.2 ever get here ?

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@g01df1sh

I don't know. I think it's possible seeing as how Mac OS 9, a cooperative multitasking system managed to get multicore support (but it had to be specifically enabled app per app). And that OS is probably one of the most hacked together OS' in existance (PPC nanokernel, 68k userspace). But I don't think it'll be easy.

It'll all depend on Hyperion.

@WolfpackN64

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I think it's possible seeing as how Mac OS 9, a cooperative multitasking system managed to get multicore support (but it had to be specifically enabled app per app). And that OS is probably one of the most hacked together OS' in existance (PPC nanokernel, 68k userspace). But I don't think it'll be easy.

Why would you even want to go through the agony of retrofitting a 30-year-old OS with features that aren't driven by any real software demand?

This whole project is an overly-ambitious pipe dream that bases most of its motivation on anti-x86 hysteria.

The last thing the Amiga needs is another low-volume, expensive hardware solution that uses a dead CPU.

@WolfpackN64

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A full system was going to be around 7000$, which is insane (for reference, the cheapest Tyan reference OpenPOWER server is around 2800$, and that's with CPU, RAM, Storage and PSU).

That $7100 system was still without CPU. Only option which they offered with CPU was $17600.

@thread

much less

http://www.tyan.com/solutions/tyan_openpower_system.html

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@ne_one

Because multitasking is something OS4 will really need down the lane to accommodate more complicated and resource hungry software.
Well, your critique is seemingly anti-POWER, it's a matter of perspective.

Super Amiga? Where? This machine certainly has NOTHING to do with Amiga at all.

@Thorham

It's hypothetical.

@AmigaBlitter

it is a rack , the talos is a complete workstation with pcie expansions slots etc etc

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@WolfpackN64

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WolfpackN64 wrote: @g01df1sh They had a crowdfunding campaign but it failed (they got over 500 000$, but they asked 3.7 Million $). Frankly they asked way too much (3700$ for the motherboard WITHOUT CPU, RAM or anything, and at least 1000$ for a CPU). A full system was going to be around 7000$, which is insane (for reference, the cheapest Tyan reference OpenPOWER server is around 2800$, and that's with CPU, RAM, Storage and PSU). To be honest, for a full POWER CPU to be used by an Amiga system, they need multicore and multithread support. These CPU's are massively parallelized (and massively powerful).

With just 200.000 bucks, we users of Amiga community had had engineered our own LowCost Amiga computer and with other 100.000 we had had produced a batch of 500/1000 motherboards at a manufacturer in China...

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@Raffaele

You could just as well produce these in Italy or the UK, but you could do a LOT with 500 000$.

@tlosm

The Tyan reference server also has PCIe expendability. Having no PCIe or CAPI on an OpenPOWER server would be a waste (since they're also designed for GPU and FPGA acceleration).

@Thorham

Yes I thought it was about a Super Amiga with the Super AGA chipset.

That would be a true "Power Amiga" !
I think it would be awesome but it's more of a niche due to cost and power requirements. Most everyday tasks don't need that amount of power.
Nevertheless I still would drool for one with full MP AmigaOS kernel :)

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@Hypex

Super AGA is coming I hope stand alone Vampire FPGA. Cant wait to see that just hope its not another BoXer pipe dream.

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@Jose

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That would be a true "Power Amiga" ! I think it would be awesome but it's more of a niche due to cost and power requirements. Most everyday tasks don't need that amount of power.

The TDPs are huge. Amiga OS4.x would have to gain some power management functionality so it could switch off what is being used in order to get the power down. Do 4 core Power 8 chips exist? That wouldn't be so bad for OS, especially if it could switch unused cores off.

I wonder if there's room in the market for A-EON to build a Power 8 system.

@Rob

There is a 4-core Power8 chip. An 8 core generally uses 130W, and I think the 4-core is around 90W.
I do think Power9 would be nice if it would have a 4-core chip, they stand to gain a big IPC leap and the added effiëncy of the 14nm process will make the Power chips quite efficiënt.

@WolfpackN64

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There is a 4-core Power8 chip. An 8 core generally uses 130W, and I think the 4-core is around 90W.

Nope, 4-core POWER8 Turismo SCM 130W. 8-Core's are 190W on normal freq and 247W on turbo.