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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 6-Feb-2017 18:02:33
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 6-Feb-2017 18:16:30
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I also prefer navigational file managers. Spatial ones open too much windows as you go deep into the directory tree. Ideally Workbench sould offer both modes, so the users could choose _________________ This is just like television, only you can see much further. |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 6-Feb-2017 19:51:19
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Xenic wrote: @Amigo1 Quote:
My hands are not big enough to balance 30 files with one hand and open a drawer with the other.. so will you tell me how you are supposed to balance them on the tip of a mouse(pointer)? |
First, open the destination window and then:
1. Select the WorkBench menu "Window/Select contents" to select all files in a window, click on one of the selected files and then drag it to the destination window. All files will be copied.
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2. Hold down the shift key with one hand; with the other hand select the files you want to copy, click on one of the selected files and drag the file to the destination window. All selected files will be copied.
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It was a joke Xenic, in reference of what you wrote here:
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How are you going to copy files from one folder to another if you only have one window showing the contents of a single folder?? Drag-and-drop doesn't work very well if there is no place to drop. |
because instead of using drag-and-drop, on AmigaOS4.x you can select the contents of the window, use the context menu and select the "copy" entry, then go to the other window, context menu again and select "paste". Voila, you have copied and pasted files/drawers using only one window. Quote:
I get the impression that some people in this topic are Amiga newbies or have never fully explored Workbench operation.
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Com'on this is a retro forum |
How is an "OS4.x" a retro forum; it's an NG forum.
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Because AmigaOS4 is still "retro" in comparison to other contemporary platforms. You surely know that. Best example is running Linux and AmigaOS on the same hardware (X1000 or X5000). For a lot of things there is need to switch to linux. sad but true.Last edited by Amigo1 on 06-Feb-2017 at 07:52 PM.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 6-Feb-2017 20:16:09
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BSzili wrote: @pavlor
I also prefer navigational file managers. Spatial ones open too much windows as you go deep into the directory tree. Ideally Workbench sould offer both modes, so the users could choose |
How about...POP-UP-MENUS.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 2:34:45
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I really like AmigaOS 4.1 and it's funny to use. |
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Actually yes. Now there's a copy and paste discussion I would like a merging feature. I used to like the way AmigaOS would copy files and drawers but didn't replace drawers by removing the entire current contents like on other systems. But now it doesn't work so well. When ever I try to copy a drawer or files in order to combine them I get errors about objects already existing. What happened to Skip? It only seems to randomly appear now and then.
If it hasn't been added to FE already I would like it to ask me if I want to merge instead of giving that stupid error every time. So only copying what isn't there. Or only copying newer.
Recently I updated my SDK. I usually take Local out, wipe the SDK contents and then put Local back after updating the SDK. But since they messed around with the Local drawer which was intended to be for user files and put stuff in it I can't do that anymore. I tried DOpus but it was just as bad. I tried the WB copy and paste from context menu. I mean really, do I have to go to a shell, just to complete a basic copy operation these days? |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 6:18:48
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6) When in a Window you push the scroll up/down gadget, the scroll continue even if the icons are already out of the margin window.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 8:26:51
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Hypex wrote: @AmigaBlitter
Actually yes. Now there's a copy and paste discussion I would like a merging feature. I used to like the way AmigaOS would copy files and drawers but didn't replace drawers by removing the entire current contents like on other systems. But now it doesn't work so well. When ever I try to copy a drawer or files in order to combine them I get errors about objects already existing. What happened to Skip? It only seems to randomly appear now and then.
If it hasn't been added to FE already I would like it to ask me if I want to merge instead of giving that stupid error every time. So only copying what isn't there. Or only copying newer.
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I miss that feature too. It was really handy. A new well implemented merge function that can also "skip" and "skip all" would be really great. |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 9:05:16
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pavlor wrote: @Xenic I used GEM as an example, because it predates Workbench, but similar navigational file management is common in most OSs today. |
It's not a question of when the OS was born but of the chosen paradigm at that time, it wasn't a forced decision i suppose. Amiga chose spatial, OS2 did so even if it was newer and even Nautilus on Linux. Nowadays on most mainstream OSes you can have both out of the box and choose whatever you prefer, on the Amiga you have to resort on third party utilities like Magellan.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 9:12:26
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| Has nobody mentioned Filer yet? I find it's a pretty decent navigational add-on that integrates relatively well with Workbench for the odd times I want to use navigational management instead of spatial.
As for merging directories, I don't think the behaviour has changed there - there are plenty of times when I get Object already Exists errors on OS3's Workbench too. The reason it seems random is because it depends on what type of copy you're doing. If you're moving files around in the same volume, that will fail because the internal Move function doesn't overwrite files. If you do it across different volumes, it uses the copy function instead, which happily overwrites files with a warning requester. So perhaps having the updated drawer on a different volume prior to merging would help Workbench behave as you expect. _________________ RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 9:14:48
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6) When in a Window you push the scroll up/down gadget, the scroll continue even if the icons are already out of the margin window. |
You know, I actually like this feature. It lets me find (or rather, create) an empty portion of window into which I can drop files. Useful in cases where the window is packed with drawers, meaning dropping into the window and not a subdirectory would otherwise be tricky. I find myself cursing Windows for not letting me do that in Explorer._________________ RobTheNerd.com | InstallerGen | SMBMounter | Atoms-X |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 10:03:06
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Has nobody mentioned Filer yet? I find it's a pretty decent navigational add-on |
Too bad Filer has changed hands: on OpenAmiga.org it would have been taken much further by now.
I don't have a problem with Hyperion owning the sources: I have a problem with them sitting on them. If OS4 development commitments drain all manpower, the bare minimum you can always do is ask "hey, would anybody like to update Filer for us"? If there are no volunteers, heck, open a bounty: we've seen bounties for much less needed things around here!
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 10:09:23
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" create) an empty portion of window into which I can drop files" " I find myself cursing Windows for not letting me do that in Explorer."
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> bare minimum you can always do is ask "hey, would anybody like to update Filer for us"? If there are no volunteers, heck, open a bounty: we've seen bounties for much less needed things around here!
+1 !
Not had time for Amiga stuff for awhile. But when I have, file handling I do most of the time, I think. Last edited by KimmoK on 07-Feb-2017 at 10:13 AM. Last edited by KimmoK on 07-Feb-2017 at 10:10 AM.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 12:24:56
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Has nobody mentioned Filer yet? |
I have wondered why Filer have been more popular than HyperBench, it seems ? Maybe somebody could educate me ?_________________ Rock lobster bit me. My Workbench has always preferences. X1000 + AmigaOS4.1 FE "Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system." -Seymour Cray |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 14:37:46
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 18:09:39
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| @Amigo1 After re-reading my post I've decided it was a little terse but I thought you were serious about needing to drag a bunch of files to the WorkBench desktop and then drag them to a destination window. The context menu works for copying from one window but you can shift-select files in multiple windows and then drag them to a single destination window. It's not something you would use very much but it works
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 18:24:50
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| @pavlor I wouldn't care if a single window option were added to WorkBench, but a lot of us Amiga old-timers would probably be upset if the traditional WorkBench methods were completely replaced by a single window system. I don't think that radically changing WorkBench is necessary because there are a number of alternative file management system available. You can actually replace Workbench with Dopus5 if you want. Personally, I still use the old-style Dopus4 file manager. I have WBStartup open it on it's own screen behind workbench so it's always readily available.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 19:31:50
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| @Xenic
Windows 95 uses spatial mode by default, but this can be turned to navigational. I think such settings would be ideal for AmigaOS (spatial by default, but configurable). |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 20:24:54
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Has nobody mentioned Filer yet? I find it's a pretty decent navigational add-on that integrates relatively well with Workbench for the odd times I want to use navigational management instead of spatial.
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Filer is my default file manager, it's my main manager regardless if I'm copying files or opening programs I haven't in any AmiDock or in the path via Shell. It has been so ever since I started using AOS4 now many years ago... I usually have 1-3, or even 4, Filers open at the same time so I can jump around fast between the paths
Sometimes I fire up Dopus 4 or 5 or DirMeUp also, but Dopus 4 mostly as my second manager.
I rarely open the WB drawers at all, only sometimes when I have unpacked something to the Ram Disk, and then just to check out the icons (as they tend to be little bigger in that view). Last edited by marko on 07-Feb-2017 at 09:20 PM. Last edited by marko on 07-Feb-2017 at 08:33 PM. Last edited by marko on 07-Feb-2017 at 08:32 PM. Last edited by marko on 07-Feb-2017 at 08:27 PM.
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 20:50:35
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What happened to Skip? It only seems to randomly appear now and then. |
Why the hell was that removed? That is a basic component of Workbench behaviour! I am shocked that in some ways the OS regressed! _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Things i would like to be addressed by OS developers Posted on 7-Feb-2017 21:14:03
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| Browser II + whatis.library, too bad that the source code hasn't been made pubic. Kamelito |
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