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TiredofLife 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 19:46:55
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@iggy

The photo is of a character out of the TV series, Red Dwarf.
You would have to watch the program to get why he looks the way he does.

A little clip just to get the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@iggy

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AND, I'm contributing RIGHT NOW, by reminding you that you all owe my friend Frank Mariak for the original push for retargetable graphics in the first place.


EGS?

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bennymee 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 21:58:57
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@Iggy
....part of os4


Below is released in os4fe, so probably improved in os4update1:

New unified graphics library with RTG support which allows for (current and future) very substantial general and platform specific performance optimizations e.g. through the use of on-chip DMA engines (present on recently released hardware going back to the Sam440)


So why should Hyperion buy Picasso96 if they integrated it allready in the os ?

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 22:02:19
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@iggy

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So, perhaps it was a tad childish to make that observation. But it IS a remarkably effeminate photo, and I don't know of any men who would use a nickname like "Trixie".


That's Ace "What a guy" Rimmer, often heard asking ; "Smoke me a kipper I'll be back for breakfast" before doing something heroic. Think of a British version of Topper Harley off the film 'Hot Shots' and you're not far off. He was definitely a hero and not effeminate. I can't speak for Trixie.



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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 22:09:09
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@bennymee

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...part of os4


Below is released in os4fe, so probably improved in os4update1:

New unified graphics library with RTG support which allows for (current and future) very substantial general and platform specific performance optimizations e.g. through the use of on-chip DMA engines (present on recently released hardware going back to the Sam440)


So why should Hyperion buy Picasso96 if they integrated it already in the os ?


They had a license to use and develop it. Gfx library may now be integrated but the current back end is still p96 based, so they likely wanted ensure it wasn't pulled from beneath them.



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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 22:26:43
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What kind of improvment can P96 get now?
There will be the possibility to use with reaction/intuition in a better way?


Define better for one thing.

Reaction /BOOPSI gadget classes sit on top of intuition which sits on top of graphics.library which sits on the graphics driver (p96 in this case), you might as well be asking if you will be able to open your top flat bedroom window more easily now that your landlord also owns the basement flat.


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HW acceleration?


It already is hardware accelerated.

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Antialiasing drawing?


That would always have depended on available coding man power, nothing has changed there.

Overall this is a shift in legal status a of an os component / contribution / 3rd party lib (depending which OS variant you are using) expect nothing technical in the short term, and I suspect any technical stuff in the longer term might have happened anyway, if they do..

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 22:30:37
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@broadblues

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Overall this is a shift in legal status a of an os component / contribution / 3rd party lib (depending which OS variant you are using)


If anyone was ever going to consider a sale (yes, nothing but denials in that regard I know), it would certainly be wise to be able to offer the vital 3rd party pieces, no?

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 22:34:54
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@iggy

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I'm not here to justify myself, or explain to someone that speaks English as a second language why, in common English convention, anyone in a community would use the term "we".


Perhaps as a native English speaker , I can explain for you. You are using it to foster division, create an us / them situation, place your self, and other in a distinct "we" group separate to the other in this thread, strengthening this by attacking Trixie on some odd personal level by saying you can't establish whether he man or woman from his avatar / nick, and also attacking his ability to comprehend English.

Frankly being a bit of a *******

Ultimately being as *your* tribe has the holy CGX why do you even care why p96 was sold and why suddenly on the blue / red offensive, I can't see what is has to do with anything?

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 14-Apr-2017 23:01:02
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@Rob

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EGS?


You have a very valid point there, Rob.
OK, one of the RTG solutions that evolved (and the one that P96 is based on), EGS does deserve credit as original.

@BigD

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He was definitely a hero and not effeminate. I can't speak for Trixie.


Thanks, Rimmer I'm familiar with, although I don't remember him looking quite like that.
Its a shame that Red Dwarf has received so little air play in the US.
The humor is quite unique.

As to "effeminate" well...someone known as "Rimmer" in the US would face some serious ribbing.

@broadblues

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...*your* tribe...


No tribes here, bub.
That's an OS4 community fixation.
And one intended to make it look like its MorphOS vs Amiga, when we are all Amigans.

Just pointing out that MorphOS incorporated the final version of the package P96 is based on.
Frankly, outside of legacy use, both Picasso96 and CybergraphX are quite obsolete.

And as far as "division" goes, don't EVER expect me to tow some line of BS in the name of unity.

Many of you have bought in to continuing con that is being perpetrated by Hyperion Entertainment, originated in questionable business deals and litigation with the equally shady Amiga Inc.

All I'm saying is that is should have never come to this and that it would have worked out MUCH differently if neither of those entities ever became a player in the Amiga community.

The only person I wholly trust is Trevor Dickinson. His motives, as a user and fan, seem unimpeachable.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 1:14:53
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@iggy

WORD!!!11

I love to hear more about your heroic contributions to the community since the 68000 was released, but it might get a little OT so can you please PM it?




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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 3:10:21
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@smf


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I love to hear more about your heroic contributions to the community since the 68000 was released


Nah, like I said, I am not here to blow my own horn.
I bore even myself with that shite.
And I've done it before if you search.

BUT, Frank Mariak is both a friend and one of MY heroes (and a damned good programmer, as is Mark Olson, the other MorphOS developer working on video drivers).

And, for that matter, so is Han de Ruiter, a GREAT OS4 coder who gives me hope that that project WILL go somewhere (even without HYPErion's help or hindrance).

BTW - I said my history with Motorola cpus started before the 68K (with the 6800 and then the 6809).
I still have a soft spot for 8 bit.
BUT then 68000 was just TOO cool when introduced, and it holds a special place in my affections.

And to really weird you all out, that includes all 68K platforms, even Ataris (well...maybe not the Mac, that just was NOT a platform for hackers).

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ne_one 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 4:42:07
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@iggy

For those of us not familiar with Frank Mariak's efforts, is there any particular reason why his code was never licensed?

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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 7:56:16
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@ne_one

Well, obviously Phase5 licensed it , but I guess you mean licensed to another party for further development.
I don't know, and I don't want to offer an opinion on something Frank should answer himself.

Plus, he is actually only one of two authors on the original package (and I don't know much about V5).

I guess I could email him and ask.

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kas1e 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 10:28:52
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@Trixie
Seeing how you online/offline there (so probably reading that crap), i almost see how you do double or triply facepalm. I do it as well :) just so you know :)

@iggy
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Trixie 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 10:32:16
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@kas1e

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Seeing how you online/offline there (so probably reading that crap), i almost see how you do double or triply facepalm.

What else can I do, Roman?

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PR 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 10:51:11
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Tehkkee Hyvvää ja ei tapella. Capish ? ;)

Sitten ostetaan.

Not My Native English. Comprende un poquito;= Joke intended.


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pavlor 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 11:41:37
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@iggy

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But it IS a remarkably effeminate photo


That was Ace Rimmer, we´re lucky to be alive...

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RTG software was created by a MorphOS developer


EGS was there even before CGX...

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So yeah, P96 IS based on CybergraphX V3


Source for such claim? As far as I know Picasso96 is API compatible with CGX, not based on its code.

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So P96 gets to be officially owned by Hyperion and will no doubt be a part of OS4.


Unlikely, since OS4.1FE RTG functions are integrated into graphics.library. However, Picasso96 drivers still work.

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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 12:57:08
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@Trixie

My apologies, if it makes you feel any better (and that's doubtful), I've been abused worse here myself (and fairly recently).

In any case, sorry for going there (I DID say I was pretty good at being an a'hole).

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iggy 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 13:07:23
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@pavlor

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EGS was there even before CGX...


Pointed out, noted, and acknowledged before your post.

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Picasso96 is API compatible with CGX, not based on its code


Compatible not "API compatible", which of course all Amiga related code is.
And of course its not based on the same code, it just duplicates functionality.
Therefore, whether you like it or not, it copies.

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...Unlikely...


Why then, give it to Hyperion? As they don't own OS3.1, and merely have a license that allows them to develop later AmigaOS variants from it.
Why not open it to everyone?

Finally, as it neither original nor essential, why do we seem so concerned about it?

@kas1e

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@iggy only amiga (1200 of course).


Like it said, EVERYTHING 68K.
I've loved Motorola hardware since I first lusted after SouthWest Technical Products Corp systems in ads in Creative Computing when I was in High School.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYfnWRp1Q0

Why do I get the impression that Bill McEwen has similar fantasies about his life?

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pavlor 
Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 15-Apr-2017 13:20:09
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@iggy

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Therefore, whether you like it or not, it copies.


Village Tronic had not much choice back then as CGX drivers for their cards had too low priority for Phase5 et co...

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As they don't own OS3.1,


Their license is comprehensive - Hyperion has exclusive access to the OS3.1 source code and can use it to develop, sell and modify any AmigaOS version they want (including OS3...).

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Finally, as it neither original nor essential, why do we seem so concerned about it?


Picasso96 is only RTG solution useable for new classic GFX driver development.

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