@TRIPOS

I do have the right to respond in a way that fits within the realms of the sites TOS that thank you very much. If you didnt like the response....well......tough

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@NutsAboutAmiga

how much money right now is invested in amigaos by hyperion?

The only entity current investing money in 4.X is more or less trevor, without him 4.X would have been dead for a long time already with no new hardware

we should stay realistic, shouldn´t we?

I always wonder, where one find motivation to create such topics, as well, as where found motivation and interest those ones who answer in those topics (like me for now:) ). I mean .. Dont it enough one time to discuss things , got the facts, got the results of discuss and be done with it ?:) Probably only amiga.

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I only answer if somoeone is posting open source is evil, Aros is bad, closed platforms are good

the same as claiming open source solves every problem

I can't help but feel this is the Amiga curse again, how much money, how many project, and how much time has been wasted due to Amiga trademarks/copyright over the years, the commodore to escom deal took a year too long and made many companies leave the scene originally due to knot knowing what was going on, escom to gateway again deal took a bit too long and there plan for Amiga took to long to work out, and again Hyperion vs Amiga inc court case again delayed progress of os4 and stuffed some projects. Now we may be entering these times again, I just hope the parties involve think of what's best for the community, and sort out there difference without too much time, money, being wasted.

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@OlafS25

As a user i find Aros scattered around all over, so i personally dont think open source OS4 to be any smart move, for such tiny OS.

Hoping for MOS on new hardware soon

@eder

scattered? Where?

OS4 will not become open sourced, not in ten thousand years. Do not worry there

MOS on new hardware "soon"? Yes propably

@OlafS25

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MOS on new hardware "soon"? Yes propably

It looks like the target(s) for MorphOS have been announced, but don't be surprised if there are more developments (everywhere) than those currently made public.

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @TRIPOS IP is technology and ideas. The article you link talks about licenses, copyright, and trademarks that Cloanto have acquired. There is nothing in the article to suggest that they have acquired ownership of the IP behind the Amiga OS. You have been trying to assert that Cloanto own the Amiga OS IP for a while now but so far have only been able to point to an article that doesn't even suggest that to be the case let alone categorically state that.

Wrong. Your mistake is that you fail to realize that copyright *IS* Intellectual Property, and owning copyrights is exactly how you in practice own stuff like S/W, including Operating Systems. That's why you fail to comprehend the situation. Cloanto owns the OS (all Commodore versions) and everything made by Commodore. Source code, binaries, all the documentation, you name it!

Other kind of Intellectual Property is patents, trademarks, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

@amigang

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amigang wrote: I can't help but feel this is the Amiga curse again, how much money, how many project, and how much time has been wasted due to Amiga trademarks/copyright over the years, the commodore to escom deal took a year too long and made many companies leave the scene originally due to knot knowing what was going on, escom to gateway again deal took a bit too long and there plan for Amiga took to long to work out, and again Hyperion vs Amiga inc court case again delayed progress of os4 and stuffed some projects. Now we may be entering these times again, I just hope the parties involve think of what's best for the community, and sort out there difference without too much time, money, being wasted.

This could be the last time it happens. I think it would be a good thing to have all the Amiga IP gathered under one, single umbrella, held by an entity that has a proven track record of beeing good guys, loving the Amiga and really knowing what the Amiga is about!

Let's see what happens, how everything settles, and how the "Amiga landscape" looks in a few months.

IMHO things can only get better!

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held by an entity that has a proven track record of beeing good guys

You mean Cloanto, who's businesses is only to resell what others have made over the years (Commodore, Hagge & Partner). what have they ever contributed to AmigaOS?

Amiga forever is just re-branded WinUAE.
There collections of software can be found on AmiNet, and other places.

How do you know they are good guys, can say with 100% cerement that they have asked for premonition to distribute all the software they are bundling?

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@OlafS25

Well we customers have been paying for AmigaOS4.0, 4.1, OS4.1 Final, and paying for games they licensed and ported to AmigaOS, I guess some that goes back to the developers. I don't know how the Hyperion business works.

But a steady revenue stream should fund some of the subcontracts work.

http://www.generationamiga.com/2017/05/06/interview-timothy-de-groote-director-of-hyperion-entertainment-cvba/

Amiga On The Lake, AmigaKit / A-EON, is funding development as well.
sure it maybe too little but as least it is something.

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You mean Cloanto, who's businesses is only to resell what others have made over the years (Commodore, Hagge & Partner). what have they ever contributed to AmigaOS? Amiga forever is just re-branded WinUAE. There collections of software can be found on AmiNet, and other places. How do you know they are good guys, can say with 100% cerement that they have asked for premonition to distribute all the software they are bundling?

Yes, what did the Romans ever do for us...

https://github.com/tonioni/WinUAE/search?utf8=✓&q=Cloanto&type=

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Amiga forever is just re-branded WinUAE.

It's a bit more than that — for Windows users, anyway. Integration counts for something, especially since the product doesn't cost that much.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @TRIPOS Quote: held by an entity that has a proven track record of beeing good guys You mean Cloanto, who's businesses is only to resell what others have made over the years (Commodore, Hagge & Partner). what have they ever contributed to AmigaOS? Amiga forever is just re-branded WinUAE. There collections of software can be found on AmiNet, and other places. How do you know they are good guys, can say with 100% cerement that they have asked for premonition to distribute all the software they are bundling?

Amiga Forever is for convenience, integration and legal ROMs.

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Not to mention that...
* Cloanto has helped organising and participating in UAE developer meetings
* Cloanto has participated in development of UAE (such as P96)
* Cloanto has organised in bringing hardware to developers, to improve emulation

To say that Cloanto's "businesses is only to resell what others have made over the years" is flat out a distortion of what is reality, a lot of UAE development may very well not have been if it was not for Cloanto.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @TRIPOS Quote: held by an entity that has a proven track record of beeing good guys You mean Cloanto, who's businesses is only to resell what others have made over the years (Commodore, Hagge & Partner). what have they ever contributed to AmigaOS? Amiga forever is just re-branded WinUAE. There collections of software can be found on AmiNet, and other places. How do you know they are good guys, can say with 100% cerement that they have asked for premonition to distribute all the software they are bundling?

Hell, even their own software (personal paint) hasn't been updated in years and only when it was sold to aeon that development have been restarted (and not by cloanto obviosly)

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Hell, even their own software (personal paint) hasn't been updated in years and only when it was sold to aeon that development have been restarted (and not by cloanto obviosly)

Cloanto released the last version to the Amiga community for free. Amiga Inc and Genesi were also offered access to the source code so they could do ports for OS4 and MorphOS.

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@Overflow

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Overflow wrote: If negativity is a sport, you are all winners!

Merely collecting the known facts together in a single post. Just the other week a user of this very board said "I don't know why this is still of interest since Hyperion and Cloanto seem on good terms it kind of a none issue IMHO", even throwing the word "fake news" around. Clearly showing erroneous conclusion based on obvious cluelessness!

Reality is in the eye of the beholder. If you think the current situation is negative, why don't you choose to try to see the possible positive outcomes then?

As I wrote in the first post in this thread, it could mean a stronger, less fragmented platform, depending on the good will of various leading people (both developers and IP owners) when the dust settles. Under any circumstances, there is nothing anyone on the outside can do anyway, beside observe how it all plays out. Self delusion and putting your head in the sand helps no-one.