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Pierre55 
Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 1:01:57
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Hi,

I don't understand why we can't have a good (compatible) browser for the Amiga... I can't go to my bank account for almost 1 year, Dropbox is unusable since months and nom BOX also can't be use on the Amiga OS 4 with Odyssey.

Is there someone working on a browser program ?

I'm sure OS 4 user's are ready to pay to get Odyssey (this is the most usable to date) or another good compatible broswer.

Pierre

Amiga user since the A1000!!!

Thank you.

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klx300r 
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Posted on 17-Jun-2017 2:42:37
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@Pierre55

+1, most important program we need for sure and many amiga users would agree.

btw, our AmiBox (dropbox client) is working fine on my OS4 and OS3 miggies, here's the

aminet link

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Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
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@Pierre55

+1 more. I have more than a couple US dollars for this. I am sick watching how blazing fast Firebox is on my deceased wife's old mac (virtual box for a work related project).

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Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 3:43:45
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@Pierre55
You are forget the unfortunately Timberwolf proyect?
The people put money for nothing. Difficult now try to make other browser with this.

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klx300r 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 7:56:18
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@Templario

yes Timberwolf was working ok until FE came along but the bros abandoned it and supposedly open sourced it but it's been many years with sadly no updates was very promising and actually working quite well at one time being able to use a lot of my favourite Firefox plugins

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Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 8:11:29
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@Pierre55

I think the problem is things like JavaVm, lot banks use Java plugin to login, instead of trying to get your bank to work with a Amiga, you can pick a bank that works with AmigaOS, I don't know if there is any disadvantage to using a foreign bank's. Norwegian banks can use Mobil phone to verify identity instead of JavaVM.

Considering all the key loggers and other crap you get on your computer its most like the safest 2 level security.

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radzik 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 8:45:20
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@klx300r

Our cloud soft is great, but you can't share files etc. Second it can't refresh files.

I think with browser there is one big problem: Amiga NG users don't need Internet or they use Amiga only for moving icons. To that, our developers aren't motivated or they don't want working together to make a new (port) browser. An the last but not least, our A-EON, Hyperion, MOS Team don't care about new browser because it's much more work to do than "simply" things. Of course Hyperion and MOS Team are responsible for system, but they should support other in such important program like Odyssey etc.

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@Pierre55

Quote:


I don't understand ...


After all this years you should understand ...

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
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@radzik

lots of work no pay, and really hard, besides current web tech is pritty bloaded and bad, and our OS don't have way quit program that crash safly, even terminating all the threads on AmigaOS seams like real problem in OWB.

We are also faced with problem of keeping web browser up todate.

I think the next logical step after SMP is provide some kind of safe box's that bad programs (web browsers and other unsafe crap) can run inside.

I have looked at some AROS videos they also talk about how horrible unstable OWB is, so this general problem not just a AmigaOS4 issue.

I like NetSurf, but its can't 100% repalce OWB, it needs alot of work.

IBrowse is realy old, they have talked about AmigaOS4 version for years, even if get out, it wont have HTML5 support at once.

AWebPPC works ok, but just too simpe for modern browsing.

TimberWolf is really out of date and unsable.

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Posted on 17-Jun-2017 10:41:11
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@thread

For people having problems loading specific websites, you should really look at playing around with the spoof as settings as this can help solve a few issues such as web pages not loading correctly or in the wrong format. Spoofing as IPad sometimes is the best option as companies who maintain webpages always seem to have Apple users in mind over and above any type of user.

In terms of an updated fully functioning browser, i think this is every current Amiga user's biggest wish. It would be nice for example to see full screen videos on YouTube within a browser, but whilst we have workarounds in place like SMtube, I don't consider this to be the end of the world

I generally get most stuff done on the internet using either Odyssey or Netsurf. I tend to shy away from looking at banking stuff on my Amiga as I am not sure how secure the current set of browsers and patches applied to them are, certainly my bank insist on me using a set of preferred browsers or phone apps to ensure that i am covered in the event of any potential fraud to my accounts.

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iggy 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:00:44
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@outrun1978

Like you, I don't have many problems with Odyssey (then again I don't run it under OS4), and the comment about AROS users finding it unstable is bizarre as they have the latest version.

Netsurf? Please, that's no substitute.

And since no one tried to update Timberwolf...blame yourselves, as the Friedens have enough on their to do list.

You guys "want" a lot of stuff, learning to code, setting up proper bounties (our other supports for your developers), THAT how to get things done.
NOT posting "Wanted" rants.

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NutsAboutAmiga 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:04:57
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@iggy

Well they so in this video, I don't have AROS my self so I can't compare.

https://youtu.be/IaQ4iFKUXNI?t=1222

my guess is that its a general OWB problem, so new port wont help, unless some one find out way it buggy first.

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outrun1978 
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Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:06:18
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@iggy

I find Netsurf has improved over the last few releases, with the latest version i can now access Paypal to pay for stuff, Facebook access is reasonable using the mobile webpage and for reading news sites its not a bad browser to navigate, its certainly quicker than Odyssey.

I still can't access Outlook emails via Netsurf, but I am sure that a future update will fix that. It would be nice too if i could print from Netsurf

It may not have all the bells and whistles we require from a browser, but at least it is being updated on a semi-regular basis.

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Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:13:28
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@Pierre55

This is AMIIGA OS's biggest issue right now.
It's basicly unusable online for a vast array of every day uses.

Agreed\that it sould be a priority. Even over SMP

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tlosm 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:25:19
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@SHADES

true.
I cant go pratically on all new website who is using new html5 commands or some new js.
we need upgraded webkit or upgraded broweser who use geko (firefox min 51)
note firefox from version 51.

Another needed thing on amigaos is a new sdk ... gcc on amigaos sdk start become too old .

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Posted on 17-Jun-2017 11:40:04
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@tlosm

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Another needed thing on amigaos is a new sdk ... gcc on amigaos sdk start become too old .


https://github.com/sba1/adtools

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Pierre55 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 18-Jun-2017 21:10:48
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From: Quebec, Canada

@OneTimer1



I'm a dreamer... I taught that maybe someone(s) will make a browser to help the Amiga communauty!

Bye!

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Pierre55 
Re: Wanted "Browser for OS4"
Posted on 18-Jun-2017 21:13:34
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@broadblues

When I wrote "someone" you were in my mind.. you did a great job with AWeb!

Bye!

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tonyw 
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You seem to not know (or forget) the magnitude of the task. A "real" browser like Firefox is a HUGE undertaking and has hundreds of people maintaining it. It would not be exaggerating to say that the browser is bigger than the rest of AmigaOS.

We just don't have the resources to maintain such a huge program. Look at the amount of work that Fabien and others have put into Odyssey, and yet they can't keep it up to date with the changes in the base product (OWB). It's just too much work (for no reward) and we don't have enough clever people with nothing else to do.

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Hans 
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Posted on 19-Jun-2017 1:28:39
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@tonyw

Quote:

tonyw wrote:
You seem to not know (or forget) the magnitude of the task. A "real" browser like Firefox is a HUGE undertaking and has hundreds of people maintaining it. It would not be exaggerating to say that the browser is bigger than the rest of AmigaOS.

Exactly, and that requires funding:
- Google has massive advertising revenue, and can easily justify the cost of developing a browser as they can design it to prefer their search engine & services
- Apple also has huge revenues
- The Mozilla foundation has (had?) search deals where companies like Google pay them big bucks to be the default/preferred search engine. They also get donations which is possible due to having a large user-base

Even keeping a port of open-source browsers up-to-date is quite an undertaking. If we could find some way to fund the development, then it would be much easier to keep the browser current.**

Hans


** NOTE: I'm talking about adequately paying a developer or two so they can work on it full time. A few hundred dollars per month in a tipping jar just isn't going to cut it.

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