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outrun1978 
Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
Posted on 1-Jul-2017 15:05:52
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Hi all

I was having a look in a branch of Maplin's today at mechanical keyboards and came across this one which I am quite interested in buying:

http://gaming.logitech.com/en-gb/product/g610-orion-brown-keyboard

Obviously I will be covering those horrid windows keys with some stick on Amiga Keys, but I am more concerned about if this keyboard may have problems with repeated keys which is an issue which can affect some keyboards if using the latest U-Boot found on the x5000 or even the Sam 460.

Is anyone using the Logitech G610 as a keyboard, or can they also recommend any mechanical keyboards which work well with the X5000 or Sam 460??

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
Posted on 1-Jul-2017 15:15:10
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@outrun1978

Well the USB keyboard uses a USB software stack, if your having problems, you might won't take a look at CPU meter, what program are you running when do you have this problems, can this problem be caused by badly programmed program?

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@NutsAboutAmiga

There is a problem in the latest u-boot with the Amigaone (chicony) keyboards and a few other usb keyboards it seems where you get instances of repeated keys. This solves itself sometimes with a quick unplug/replug back in but it seems to happen quite a bit.


My wireless microsoft 800 keyboard works fine and doesnt suffer this problem, but as i am looking for a mechanical one to replace it and it would be nice if i could know which ones reliably work with the x5000 and sam 460 running the latest U-boot.


The Microsoft 800 is nice keyboard but its a bit of a chore to type away for long stretches......

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@outrun1978

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Obviously I will be covering those horrid windows keys with some stick on Amiga Keys


Or you could custom key caps made.

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/printed-keycap-singles/custom-art-cherry-mx-keycaps.html

Not sure if there's a similar service in the UK but if not at least key caps aren't too expensive to ship. If you can get another 4 or more people interested you can take advantage of a $4 discount on each key. I'd be interested in a pair.

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outrun1978 
Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@Rob

yea i have seen those...... might have a think about that one and will let you know!

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@outrun1978

Its all a matter of the key switches.
My personal preference is for keyboards with some tactile feedback.
For desktops, a keyboard with good Cherry key switches is nice.

And I'm very fond of my Lenovo ThinkPad's keyboard.

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@outrun1978

I have a couple of Ducky DK2108 and they work great with Sam460 and X5000

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=37729&forum=16&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@Rob

Quote:

Rob wrote:

Or you could custom key caps made.

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/printed-keycap-singles/custom-art-cherry-mx-keycaps.html


I have a complete custom keyboard and keycaps I bought from wasdkeyboards early this year. Looks great, feels great. Cost a fortune.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=926&full=1

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@kyle

the Ducky one looks promising, think i may investigate that one further

@daveyw

that is one very nice looking keyboard

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@outrun1978

On my X1000 and Tabor, I use a Rosewill RK9000BR. The BR is Brown cherry switches.
The keyboard is very solid, even heavy because of the steel plate that the switches mount through. ALL of the keys are cherry, unlike some that use cheaper switches for the function and num pad.

The one big problem with the 9000BR is the very thin traces where the USB connector is soldered down. I have repaired mine by hand. Since this problem got some exposure, Rosewill came out with the "V2" that should correct it properly.

If you don't mind a rather HEAVY keyboard (I rather like it) this is a very good keyboard at an excellent price. I use a mechanical USB switch to "jump" my keyboard and mouse between three computers, none of the computers have had any problem with it.

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Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@lylehaze

thanks for the tip, i like the rectangular look of your one and also of the Ducky DK2108 mentioned by Kyle.

Think i am being swayed by the Ducky if am honest, i have a think for blue neon lights so time to get the Amazon Prime free offer to do its dirty work!

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@outrun1978

I made these caps some time ago to use with mechanical keyboards with Cherry MX switches:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505470364/amiga-inspired-key-caps-for-mechanical-keyboards

More photos here, go through the pages and the links I posted:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=40535&forum=16&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

Regarding the keyboard, I'd suggest a Ducky as I've find them to be of very good quality and reliable.

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@kyle Quote:
I have a couple of Ducky DK2108 and they work great with Sam460 and X5000


That model is the "Ducky Zero"...? Have you changed any settings of it from the factory defaults?

I tested a Ducky One with X5000, and it has the repeted key problem, and occasionally keys are just not responsive, so that you have to press them two or three times before it has effect.

Regards,

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Posted on 3-Jul-2017 12:30:29
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@Gregor

I've gone for this one http://amzn.eu/iniMDXo
Which is the Ducky Zero DK 2108SZ So i will let you know how it performs when I get home later on today.

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Posted on 3-Jul-2017 19:23:15
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@thread

so far the Ducky Zero DK2180SZ works ok, not noticed any issues just yet with the repeated keys.
I did have to swap the Alt keys around with the Windows/Function keys. I have placed some Amiga stickers over the Windows/Function keys, but swapping these around mean that i can now do CTRL+left Amiga+right Amiga for a soft reset

Initial thoughts are its quite similar to the original A1200 keyboard in feel and sound, so yes i can see why this brand is quite popular amongst the fellow Amiga community.



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Posted on 3-Jul-2017 22:59:26
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@outrun1978

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outrun1978 wrote:
@thread

swapping these around mean that i can now do CTRL+left Amiga+right Amiga for a soft reset


Using AllKeys and the reboot command, you can map any key combination to a Soft Reset. The PS/2 keyboard I use with my A1XE has a Power button, so I use Ctrl-Power to rest.

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outrun1978 
Re: Mechanical Keyboard options for use with Amiga OS 4.1FE and latest U-Boot
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@daveyw

I think i need a few spare hours to work out how to use All Keys But thank you for the kind tip!!

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@outrun1978

Let us know if you run into any of those reported "repeated keys", or "failure to recognize keystrokes the first, second, or third time they are pressed", problems, while being used on an X5000, or SAM460 with UBoot.

Personally, I would have gone with the Rosewill keyboard, that has ALL mechanical keys, like Lyle suggested. It also seems to be cheaper, as NewEgg is selling the newer V2 version of that keyboard for less than $90 US dollars.

Good luck with your new mechanical keyboard, I love mine.

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@Gregor Quote:
I tested a Ducky One with X5000, and it has the repeted key problem, and occasionally keys are just not responsive, so that you have to press them two or three times before it has effect.

Good news about Ducky One... I noticed the symptons described above disappear when the keyboard is switched from "N-Key Rollover mode" to "6-Key Rollover mode". There is a dip switch for that.

Regards,

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If you have the money for a new Model F keyboard... :)

http://www.modelfkeyboards.com

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