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The ultimate goal for Gunnar is that the Apollo Core will be the de-facto standard for _all_ 68k Amiga, so that anyone who makes Amiga acc. cards will have to license the CPU from him. Of course Jens is against this, so is anyone else who do Amiga hardware - especially with the Apollo Core being the oddball bastard of an architecture that it is. Even most software developers are against the Apollo Core, especially those who develop OS, be it AROS or Amiga OS. The are actually very few who developers at all who support the architectural changes that Gunnar is doing, _very_ few.

I was very excited by the Natami at the beginning, and after with the V1 and V2...

But when I saw the AMMX and the first version of Riva using these new instructions, I was VERY worried...

So, I emailed Gunnar and Majsta for some explanations : division = destruction, everybody understand this evidence. Look at our world of shit : it's because politics & administrations divide us...

Majsta don't care and only said Gunnar know what is doing... Gunnar replied there is no more software developping on Amiga Classic, so all users should (he mean must) purchase a V2...


The division of the 68k CPU is certainly the last thing to sink the Amiga Classic definitively... What a sadness !

And when Majsta wrote that their next hardware won't be called Amiga anymore, I'm VERY afraid...

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This wins the award for 'Bat-sh!t crazy post of the day'.

Right, it is bat shit crazy, which is why it will fail.

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@gregthecanuck

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This wins the award for 'Bat-sh!t crazy post of the day'.

+1
And wow, for once you're not working hard to play nice.


@Mr-Z

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By now by we know you don't like Apollo-core/vampire, can you please stop hi-jacking every topic about it, it's getting childish at this point.

He doesn't like the Apollo core, Jens doesn't like the Apollo core (but of course, NOT because it out shines Individuals offering, oh no), its the work of 'only one person' (except it isn't), etc.
In any case, he has his opinions, and if you dont agree, you're wrong.

@kolla

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Right, it is bat shit crazy, which is why it will fail.

Failing to the tune of thousands sold, hmm you are going of the rail there.
I'm not buying until they release one with an fpu and mmu, but if you're only worried about games, its seems like the platform for you.

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@CosmosUnivers

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The division of the 68k CPU is certainly the last thing to sink the Amiga Classic definitively... What a sadness ! And when Majsta wrote that their next hardware won't be called Amiga anymore, I'm VERY afraid...

Division, aka diversity, has not really hurt our community thus far.
In fact, we have a lot of options that wouldn't be there if we all took the same course.
Further, for those that seem to think we'd have more pull if we were all united, hey we'd still be a very tiny market.
This way people get what they want.

As to the Amiga name, who cares?
Its JUST a trademark.

Hey Jens' A1200 isn't going to be called Amiga either.
Does that make it any less an Amiga?

So you can have your fear, I've never allowed myself to live in fear of anything.
Its a terrible way to live.

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@iggy

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Further, for those that seem to think we'd have more pull if we were all united, hey we'd still be a very tiny market. This way people get what they want.

No, this way a very select group of people get what they want.

That's terrific, but the same level of ingenuity would exist even if there were sanctioned Amiga products being produced with credible backing.

@ne_one

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but the same level of ingenuity would exist even if there were sanctioned Amiga products being produced with credible backing.

That doesn't appear to be the case.
Several very ingenious product are either currently available or soon will be that are outside this fold.
Frankly, again, its just a trademark and of no real significance.

And what is 'credible backing'?

Until the Hyperion/AInc split, was that 'credible' endeavor (and for that matter how credible is it now)?

Frankly, I'd rather support the unsanctioned, hobbyist produced efforts.

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Until the Hyperion/AInc split, was that 'credible' endeavor (and for that matter how credible is it now)?

Amiga inc were never credible, allowing Hyperion to start PPC development of the OS was the ONLY good thing they ever did other than settle their court case out of court.

Hyperion are more credible now because they are in partnership with A-EON; a reputable company.

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@iggy

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+1 And wow, for once you're not working hard to play nice.

We have a small community of hardware and software developers trying to do good things for the Amiga. I dislike seeing any mud-slinging or untruths. It doesn't matter to me if it is A-Eon product, Amigakit, Vampire, Jens products, Hans' graphics drivers or some of the other amazing software still being developed.

ALL developers deserve our support and when I see garbage posts I feel obligated to correct any misconceptions. Or in some cases get a little more abrupt... ;)

I still believe that any growth in 68K is good news for the community overall, as is growth on the PPC side. There is a lot of potential for cross-pollination and a larger target audience for developers.

@gregthecanuck

Well thank you, sir!
And btw, I am extremely impressed with Hans de Ruiter's work myself.
If he hadn't introduced his drivers and other software, I don't think I'd be considering OS4.
He is a very talented programmer and a asset to the community.

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...allowing Hyperion to start PPC development of the OS was the ONLY good thing they ever did...

They may have had a hand in bringing Acube into the community as well, but I'm not 100% sure of the circumstances surrounding that.

BUT, its interesting that there DOES appear to have been something 'good' done by Amiga Inc (hey, that WAS the word you used).

Also, if anyone remembers the specifications for the high end system that was suggested by Ack Systems (when Amiga Inc. was still promoting OS4) its very similar to what Aeon realized in the X1000.

So, contracted for PPC OS4 development, worked with Acube, solicited specification that were eventually realized by an Amiga hardware vendor...

You could almost rehabilitate Bill's reputation...hey, if people can try to do that with Nixon...

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Also, if anyone remembers the specifications for the high end system that was suggested by Ack Systems (when Amiga Inc. was still promoting OS4) its very similar to what Aeon realized in the X1000.

I actually spent some time in working with Adam back in mid-2006. This included discussions with PA Semi. However very quickly realized that it wouldn't work (to put it politely) and invested my money elsewhere.

I think the original question in this thread has been answered.

How in the world did you guys bring in Jens, A-Inc, Bill McEwan, Acube, A-Eon, PA Semi, etc?

@themamboman

I like to think of these threads as a bunch of old friends sitting around a table having a great chat... the topic tends to drift... :)