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WolfpackN64 
Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
Posted on 12-Aug-2017 20:12:10
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@Beans

The separation is a tragedy, but there are no favorable conditions for reunification at the moment. Both the North and South would have to make big changes.

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Nicsoft 
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Correct me if I'm wrong...

But regarding the slow video playback on AmigaOS 4.1.
Couldn't that be solved with hardware accelerated video decoding?

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Beans 
Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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...there are no favorable conditions for reunification at the moment. Both the North and South would have to make big changes.


Not at all, the only change needed is to abolish of the (so called) communist government of North Korea.

And favorable conditions? We have not been at 'fight tonight' status for years to no purpose. That condition is quite met already.

So all Kim needs to do is provide a provocation.

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Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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... i was able to watch 720p video without issue on my pegasos2 too...
we are in 2017 and we are speaking about 720p .
please fly down and think that people just wanna play a little with os4 ...
x5000 or others are for big fan boys like me ... os4 i didnt share nothing just because i was nda.
lunux mede me just see the real performances of the machine good or not good...

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Beans 
Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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@tlosm

... i was able to watch 720p video without issue on my pegasos2 too...

Interesting.
A G4 cpu makes that much difference?
After all, in the Peg2 the cpu only operates at 1 GHz.

Then again, I've been running similar video on G4s that are only slightly faster under MorphOS.

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Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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@Beans

mine pegasos 2 was 1266 mhz with 2gb of ram plus radeon 9800pro. on youtube there are my videos with amigaos and with morphos too.

my quad g5 is able to run 4k youtube videos 3d on firefox without issue ... and firefox on linux is not hw accelerated.

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Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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I'm considering buying an AmigaOS 4 system. I've been waiting for the Tabor for quite a while, but I'm wondering if I should just get a Sam 460 right now instead.


AFAIK the Sam460 is out of production and the production of the Tabor hasn't started yet.

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Beans 
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@tlosm

Nice Peg2 system, about as maxed out as that platform can get.

I'm rebuilding my Quad G5 right now for a similar Linux system.
I've seen people running USB3.0 card in those systems.

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tlosm 
Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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@Beans

on linux you can have all new hw that run on pcie slot the important is use the right kenrel modules.
the board have to be full size pcie or you need to have an adaptor for use the 1x pcie boards on big size slots thats are presents on the quad

ps: the peg is for me the best amigang i had .

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Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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@Beans

Not wanting to derail the thread but...
What I mean is South Korea would need to break up their Chaebol (multinational conglomerates who weal substantial power in the government) and strengthen their social security. South Korea has an alarming and growing relative poverty rate that needs to be addressed or North Koreans would be disenchanted quickly with the South.

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Beans 
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@WolfpackN64

Korean Chaebol, Japanese Keiretsu, diversified conglomerates in the US, all hold more power than they ought to.
And there seems to be a flattening of wages and an increase in poverty in all three countries.

So your argument appeals to my socialist nature.

But strengthening social security measures requires resources, and without corporate income, where do we get the needed funding?

In any case, considering the economy in North Korea, even the poverty in South Korea would tend to look appealing.

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Well, breaking up the Chaebol would allow for more state leverage over these corporations and an enormous amount of tax evasion that would be halted.

I wouldn't bee too certain about the last point. Some people who fled the North feel abandoned after a few months. The North is a shitty place, but how would one resolve such a delicate situation for 22 million people?

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Beans 
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but how would one resolve such a delicate situation for 22 million people?


Hard to say, one could point to Germany as a model for reunification, but there are still disparities between East and West there.
And the East German economy, while no power house, was in better shape than the current North Korean economy.

Then again, as Germany has a good social support structure, its probably an even more unfair comparison.

22 million without State supported jobs? Hmm, hadn't thought of the ramifications.

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Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
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That's what I mean, East Germany wasn't as much of a shithole to begin with and even then re-unification was handled terribly. They though a shock injection of capitalism would help instead of slowly transitioning so that the East German company's could start to compete. East Germany lost quite a lot in the first few years.

How do you decently solve a much larger disparity. Only through caution and a well planned out transition.

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daveyw 
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Posted on 13-Aug-2017 1:57:17
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As more and more Amiga users switch to the X5000, we should see a few second hand OS4 systems come on the market. Outrun has indicated he will sell his Sam, and I'll probably sell my A1XE.

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outrun1978 
Re: Buy Sam 460 or Tabor?
Posted on 13-Aug-2017 8:23:35
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I dunno judging by the way this thread is going I think I may have a hard time selling it when i get round to it but I think there may be a market for someone who are interested in testing things on AmigaOS out before committing to a higher spec/more expensive machine later down the line.

The best thing I can say about the Sam 460 is that it would really suit those who owns or owned an Amiga 500 or A1200 and have never experienced a NG Machine or the lovely modern looking OS 4.1.

In it they will find a machine which is a lot more powerful than their classic machine ever was and yes it will be suitable for most day to day use. It will play DVD's, you can stream/view You Tube clips, play classic games and run OS4.1 software certainly a lot better than it would be under emulation in WinUAE. You can also try out Linux if you fancy too.

Ultimately the Sam is and was an entry level machine with specs to match and was designed to run AmigaOS. i knew when i bought it back in 2014 that it wouldn't be the most powerful machine compared to the X1000, but compared to what i had before in an A1200 with an accelerator card, its a 100% upgrade on this machine.


From the bits which have been released about the A1222/Tabor board, it looks like it will surpass the Sam 460 board quite easily especially if the performance of the upcoming Tower 57 is anything to go by as there is a blog post and a video highlighting the difference between the two machines.

http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=1282


As some others have posted already, its a nice starter machine, but people will need to be aware of its limitations, which is ultimately something that those purchasing any piece of Amiga hardware (A1222,X5000 or Vampire accelerator) will need to be aware of. i guess as with anything it depends what you plan to use the actual machine for day to day?









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TRIPOS 
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Posted on 13-Aug-2017 10:11:58
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As many users has reported over its lifetime, the Sam460 had random stability issues (while others mysteriously worked), many attempts to remedy was tried, BIOS updates, turning off the L2 cache, adding a CPU fan, etc. Nothing helped. Could have been related to the oveclocking? Anyway, they stopped making it and it has been gone from market for years. The Tabor isn't available either, and it has a CPU that is uncompatible to PPC. Both Sam and Tabor are expensive H/W for what they deliver (performance and specs).

Consider getting the PowerUP version and run it on an X86 system. That one is available. Its's faster than the original H/W, it's cheap and flexible. I wouldn't be surprised if the PowerUP version is the most sold OS4 version by far. Also consider getting the latest version of Amiga Forever. Then you'll get every Amiga emulated from the first A1000 to the latest 4.1 final edition, with much extra value!

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pavlor 
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@TRIPOS

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and it has a CPU that is uncompatible to PPC


Well, Hyperion managed to solve this compatibility issue...


Although WinUAE is the cheapest platform for OS4, it offers only limited performance in comparison to dedicated hardware.

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outrun1978 
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@TRIPOS

As Pavlor quite rightly points out, emulation of OS 4 will only get you so far.

As for stability issues on the Sam, having owned one, I can tell you that a lot of the stability issues are resolved by installing a fan in the case which helps to expel the air. Most Sam boards will come with a fan installed on top of the CPU, but it certainly does no harm to install another one to expel the air especially if you decide to change the graphics card.

These are stability issues that apply to all Amiga machines including my desktop A1200 which is fitted with an ACA1231 accelerator card and which I am only able to operate for any long periods of time when placed on a laptop cooler board with fans underneath. The minute a fan is installed to expel the air, the less likely your machine is to lock up.



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@tlosm

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... i was able to watch 720p video without issue on my pegasos2 too...
.

I highly doubt it was h264 video. And I highly doubt it was with AmigaOS 4.1 (what player) ?

With a G4 1,2666, you could only play YouTube videos in 480p (smTube and Mplayer).

I used to own a AmigaOne G4 1,266 Ghz too (with radeon 9000 Pro) and indeed I could wath even 1080p videos (MPG2 videos of course).

So once again you are talking about apples and tomatoes.

And you even admit that you are not talking about OS4 but about Linux, which has nothing to do in the context.

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