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Raffaele 
Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 7-Sep-2017 8:54:37
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Joined: 7-Dec-2005
Posts: 1782
From: Naples, Italy

According to this discussion on Amiganews.it, user TLOSM found many bugs and issues on X5000 that make experience of use on the new machine, despite its nominal speed and power, as very limited and troublesome.

http://amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19394&sid=47e0a8a78b40fcb96a0972d8791324ec

X5000 DDR3 RAM 1333MHz performances are inferior to an old Apple G5 DDR2 667 MHz, and X5000 stops at transfer rate of 2GB per second in read while decreasing even to 1.5 GBpS in write, a performance that could be appreciated on an Intel P4 of 2001, while G5 is capable of 7GBpS r/w that rise to 9GBpS when using ALTIVEC...

Also dramatic is situation of BUS DMA and it can't handle more of 3,5GB of RAM, limiting to 512MB the size of memory available on graphic cards.
But if dual 256MB graphic cards are mounted on two different PCI/PCIE slots, there were problems of instability.

Performances of bus PCIE on X5000 are inferior to even an AGP bus and similar to a Cyberstorm A4000,

Internal LANs are set to dummy, due to problems in DMA. L3 cache is used only for caching lan packets, and UBOOT version is stucked at 2014 because nobody wants to pay for a new version.

Actually the discussion and comments continue for 18 pages of various questions, doubts and considerations of different species.

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 7-Sep-2017 9:40:02
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@Raffaele

Quote:

Raffaele wrote:
According to this discussion on Amiganews.it, user TLOSM found many bugs and issues on X5000 that make experience of use on the new machine, despite its nominal speed and power, as very limited and troublesome.

http://amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=19394&sid=47e0a8a78b40fcb96a0972d8791324ec

X5000 DDR3 RAM 1333MHz performances are inferior to an old Apple G5 DDR2 667 MHz, and X5000 stops at transfer rate of 2GB per second in read while decreasing even to 1.5 GBpS in write, a performance that could be appreciated on an Intel P4 of 2001, while G5 is capable of 7GBpS r/w that rise to 9GBpS when using ALTIVEC...

Also dramatic is situation of BUS DMA and it can't handle more of 3,5GB of RAM, limiting to 512MB the size of memory available on graphic cards.
But if dual 256MB graphic cards are mounted on two different PCI/PCIE slots, there were problems of instability.

Performances of bus PCIE on X5000 are inferior to even an AGP bus and similar to a Cyberstorm A4000,

Internal LANs are set to dummy, due to problems in DMA. L3 cache is used only for caching lan packets, and UBOOT version is stucked at 2014 because nobody wants to pay for a new version.

Actually the discussion and comments continue for 18 pages of various questions, doubts and considerations of different species.


Well-tried, well-known, proven Mainstream Hardware was the route The MorphOS Team took. That brought us extremely low cost and high quality hardware in many shapes and forms, ranging from the tiny footprint Mac Mini, to various Big Box G4/G5 Desktops, to many different models of Laptop computers.

The MorphOS Team totally made the right decision back then, and thanks to this, all MorphOS users has been able to enjoy a very low cost but high quality Amiga experience, with Peak PPC Performance, in other words, the very best the PPC era had to offer. Since 2009, the MorphOS users has been able to enjoy an ever growing list of supported systems, today more than 80 systems are supported (and the list continues to grow). The Laptops was very appreciated by many. The rich flora of supported systems contributed (no doubt!) to the expanding growth rate of MorphOS Licenses sold. 😎

So again, thank you, The MorphOS Team, for making the right decision back then, despite being mocked and taunted by some trolls on this site, constantly playing out the "but it's second hand, not new" card. Your decision meant a lot of positive things to a lot of Amigans! 🙂

Low cost, proven second hand mainstream machines can very well be a good option to extreme-priced, unknown, unproven new machines made only in extremely low volumes. And then, when you introduced support for both the AmigaOne 500 and the AmigaOne X5000 as well(!!!), then all the FUD-arguments against the MorphOS H/W support situation from back then kind of falls flat to the ground!



So again, thank you for doing the right thing!

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wawa 
Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 7-Sep-2017 9:55:00
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sounds like the kind of problems the amigaone series and os4 hardware in general has been always plagued with. i came across some comparisons and comments with the vampire solution just lately:
http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=8600&z=LtKvc6

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tlosm 
Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 7-Sep-2017 10:47:02
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Posts: 2300
From: Amiga land

@Raffaele

i have better ram performances in "qemu x5000" totally emulated on an i7 (2012) exactly the double than the real x5000/20.


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[ 0.000000] 4 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 4096 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 16384 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 65536 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 262144 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 1048576 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] MMU: Book3E HW tablewalk not supported
[ 0.000000] Linux version 4.11.0-X5000-Tlosm-LB (amigaone@Amigaone) (gcc version 6.2.0 20161005 (Ubuntu 6.2.0-5ubuntu12) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 12 19:08:36 CEST 2017
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[ 0.000000] CPU maps initialized for 1 thread per core
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[ 0.000000] phys_mem_size = 0xdac00000
[ 0.000000] dcache_bsize = 0x40
[ 0.000000] icache_bsize = 0x40
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[ 0.000000] always = 0x00180400581802c0
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[ 0.000000] mmu_features = 0x000a0010
[ 0.000000] firmware_features = 0x0000000000000000
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[ 0.000000] DMA32 empty
[ 0.000000] Normal [mem 0x0000000080000000-0x00000000dabfffff]
[ 0.000000] Movable zone start for each node
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[ 0.000000] Initmem setup node 0 [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x00000000dabfffff]
[ 0.000000] MMU: Allocated 2112 bytes of context maps for 255 contexts
[ 0.000000] percpu: Embedded 21 pages/cpu @c0000000d7a00000 s46760 r0 d39256 u262144
[ 0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 883750
[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 mem=3500M
[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 524288 (order: 10, 4194304 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Memory: 3440716K/3584000K available (11464K kernel code, 1996K rwdata, 5844K rodata, 436K init, 1515K bss, 143284K reserved, 0K cma-reserved)
[ 0.000000] SLUB: HWalign=64, Order=0-3, MinObjects=0, CPUs=4, Nodes=1
[ 0.000000] Preemptible hierarchical RCU implementation.
[ 0.000000] Build-time adjustment of leaf fanout to 64.
[ 0.000000] RCU restricting CPUs from NR_CPUS=8 to nr_cpu_ids=4.
[ 0.000000] RCU: Adjusting geometry for rcu_fanout_leaf=64, nr_cpu_ids=4
[ 0.000000] NR_IRQS:512 nr_irqs:512 16
[ 0.000000] mpic: Setting up MPIC " OpenPIC " version 1.2 at fe0040000, max 4 CPUs
[ 0.000000] mpic: ISU size: 256, shift: 8, mask: ff
[ 0.000000] mpic: Initializing for 256 sources
[ 0.000245] clocksource: timebase: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x5c4093a7d1, max_idle_ns: 440795210635 ns
[ 0.000784] clocksource: timebase mult[2800000] shift[24] registered
[ 0.007798] Console: colour dummy device 80x25
[ 0.008167] console [tty0] enabled
[ 0.009019] bootconsole [udbg0] disabled
[ 0.000000] MMU: Supported page sizes
[ 0.000000] 4 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 4096 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 16384 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 65536 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 262144 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] 1048576 KB as direct
[ 0.000000] MMU: Book3E HW tablewalk not supported
[ 0.000000] Linux version 4.11.0-X5000-Tlosm-LB (amigaone@Amigaone) (gcc version 6.2.0 20161005 (Ubuntu 6.2.0-5ubuntu12) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 12 19:08:36 CEST 2017
[ 0.000000] Using QEMU e500 machine description
[ 0.000000] bootconsole [udbg0] enabled
[ 0.000000] CPU maps initialized for 1 thread per core
[ 0.000000] -----------------------------------------------------
[ 0.000000] phys_mem_size = 0xdac00000
[ 0.000000] dcache_bsize = 0x40
[ 0.000000] icache_bsize = 0x40
[ 0.000000] cpu_features = 0x00180400181802c0
[ 0.000000] possible = 0x00180480581802c0
[ 0.000000] always = 0x00180400581802c0
[ 0.000000] cpu_user_features = 0xcc008000 0x08000000
[ 0.000000] mmu_features = 0x000a0010
[ 0.000000] firmware_features = 0x0000000000000000
[ 0.000000] -----------------------------------------------------
[ 0.000000] Zone ranges:
[ 0.000000] DMA [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x000000007fffffff]
[ 0.000000] DMA32 empty
[ 0.000000] Normal [mem 0x0000000080000000-0x00000000dabfffff]
[ 0.000000] Movable zone start for each node
[ 0.000000] Early memory node ranges
[ 0.000000] node 0: [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x00000000dabfffff]
[ 0.000000] Initmem setup node 0 [mem 0x0000000000000000-0x00000000dabfffff]
[ 0.000000] MMU: Allocated 2112 bytes of context maps for 255 contexts
[ 0.000000] percpu: Embedded 21 pages/cpu @c0000000d7a00000 s46760 r0 d39256 u262144
[ 0.000000] Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 883750
[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 console=tty0 mem=3500M
[ 0.000000] PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Dentry cache hash table entries: 524288 (order: 10, 4194304 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Inode-cache hash table entries: 262144 (order: 9, 2097152 bytes)
[ 0.000000] Memory: 3440716K/3584000K available (11464K kernel code, 1996K rwdata, 5844K rodata, 436K init, 1515K bss, 143284K reserved, 0K cma-reserved)
[ 0.000000] SLUB: HWalign=64, Order=0-3, MinObjects=0, CPUs=4, Nodes=1
[ 0.000000] Preemptible hierarchical RCU implementation.
[ 0.000000] Build-time adjustment of leaf fanout to 64.
[ 0.000000] RCU restricting CPUs from NR_CPUS=8 to nr_cpu_ids=4.
[ 0.000000] RCU: Adjusting geometry for rcu_fanout_leaf=64, nr_cpu_ids=4
[ 0.000000] NR_IRQS:512 nr_irqs:512 16
[ 0.000000] mpic: Setting up MPIC " OpenPIC " version 1.2 at fe0040000, max 4 CPUs
[ 0.000000] mpic: ISU size: 256, shift: 8, mask: ff
[ 0.000000] mpic: Initializing for 256 sources
[ 0.000245] clocksource: timebase: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x5c4093a7d1, max_idle_ns: 440795210635 ns
[ 0.000784] clocksource: timebase mult[2800000] shift[24] registered
[ 0.007798] Console: colour dummy device 80x25
[ 0.008167] console [tty0] enabled
[ 0.009019] bootconsole [udbg0] disabled
[ 0.010277] pid_max: default: 32768 minimum: 301
[ 0.011406] Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
[ 0.011530] Mountpoint-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
[ 0.043063] e500 family performance monitor hardware support registered
[ 0.055120] smp: Bringing up secondary CPUs ...
[ 0.097687] smp: Brought up 1 node, 4 CPUs
[ 0.111833] devtmpfs: initialized
[ 0.126052] clocksource: jiffies: mask: 0xffffffff max_cycles: 0xffffffff, max_idle_ns: 1911260446275000 ns
[ 0.126854] futex hash table entries: 1024 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
[ 0.133250] xor: measuring software checksum speed
[ 0.150620] 8regs : 1740.000 MB/sec
[ 0.164973] 8regs_prefetch: 2156.000 MB/sec
[ 0.186415] 32regs : 2576.000 MB/sec
[ 0.208138] 32regs_prefetch: 2192.000 MB/sec
[ 0.208307] xor: using function: 32regs (2576.000 MB/sec)
[ 0.208639] prandom: seed boundary self test passed
[ 0.216479] prandom: 100 self tests passed
[ 0.232507] NET: Registered protocol family 16
[ 0.248254] cpuidle: using governor ladder
[ 0.248571] cpuidle: using governor menu
[ 0.259282] Found FSL PCI host bridge at 0x0000000fe0008000. Firmware bus number: 0->255
[ 0.259925] PCI host bridge /pci@fe0008000 (primary) ranges:
[ 0.260296] MEM 0x0000000c00000000..0x0000000c1fffffff -> 0x00000000e0000000
[ 0.260473] IO 0x0000000fe1000000..0x0000000fe100ffff -> 0x0000000000000000
[ 0.262899] /pci@fe0008000: PCICSRBAR @ 0xdff00000
[ 0.263038] setup_pci_atmu: end of DRAM dac00000
[ 0.264434] /pci@fe0008000: DMA window size is 0xc0000000
[ 0.276847] Machine: QEMU ppce500
[ 0.276961] SoC family: QorIQ
[ 0.277034] SoC ID: svr:0x00000000, Revision: 0.0
[ 0.287868] fsl-pamu: fsl_pamu_init: could not find a PAMU node
[ 0.295600] software IO TLB [mem 0xd3400000-0xd7400000] (64MB) mapped at [c0000000d3400000-c0000000d73fffff]
[ 0.295778] PCI: Probing PCI hardware
[ 0.297834] fsl-pci fe0008000.pci: PCI host bridge to bus 8000:00
[ 0.298246] pci_bus 8000:00: root bus resource [io 0x8000080000010000-0x800008000001ffff] (bus address [0x0000-0xffff])
[ 0.298436] pci_bus 8000:00: root bus resource [mem 0xc00000000-0xc1fffffff] (bus address [0xe0000000-0xffffffff])
[ 0.298728] pci_bus 8000:00: root bus resource [bus 00-ff]
[ 0.340723] pci 8000:00:00.0: bridge configuration invalid ([bus 00-00]), reconfiguring
[ 0.344940] pci 8000:00:00.0: PCI bridge to [bus 01-ff]
[ 0.347770] PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 8000:00:00.0, will remap
[ 0.351925] pci 8000:00:03.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xc00000000-0xc07ffffff pref]
[ 0.352377] pci 8000:00:00.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xc08000000-0xc080fffff]
[ 0.353419] pci 8000:00:00.0: BAR 14: assigned [mem 0xc08100000-0xc081fffff]
[ 0.353570] pci 8000:00:01.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0xc08200000-0xc0823ffff pref]
[ 0.354056] pci 8000:00:03.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0xc08240000-0xc0824ffff pref]
[ 0.354296] pci 8000:00:01.0: BAR 4: assigned [mem 0xc08250000-0xc08253fff 64bit pref]
[ 0.354896] pci 8000:00:02.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xc08254000-0xc08257fff]
[ 0.355119] pci 8000:00:05.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xc08258000-0xc0825bfff 64bit]
[ 0.355588] pci 8000:00:01.0: BAR 1: assigned [mem 0xc0825c000-0xc0825cfff]
[ 0.356152] pci 8000:00:03.0: BAR 2: assigned [mem 0xc0825d000-0xc0825dfff]
[ 0.356377] pci 8000:00:04.0: BAR 5: assigned [mem 0xc0825e000-0xc0825efff]
[ 0.356594] pci 8000:00:06.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0xc0825f000-0xc0825f0ff]
[ 0.356840] pci 8000:00:01.0: BAR 0: assigned [io 0x8000080000011000-0x800008000001101f]
[ 0.357128] pci 8000:00:04.0: BAR 4: assigned [io 0x8000080000011020-0x800008000001103f]
[ 0.357581] pci 8000:00:00.0: PCI bridge to [bus 01]
[ 0.357833] pci 8000:00:00.0: bridge window [io 0x8000080000010000-0x8000080000010fff]
[ 0.358546] pci 8000:00:00.0: bridge window [mem 0xc08100000-0xc081fffff]
[ 0.525401] raid6: int64x1 gen() 871 MB/s
[ 0.561590] raid6: int64x1 xor() 634 MB/s
[ 0.598049] raid6: int64x2 gen() 1570 MB/s
[ 0.634443] raid6: int64x2 xor() 1001 MB/s
[ 0.670613] raid6: int64x4 gen() 1074 MB/s
[ 0.707356] raid6: int64x4 xor() 779 MB/s
[ 0.743808] raid6: int64x8 gen() 523 MB/s
[ 0.779949] raid6: int64x8 xor() 533 MB/s
[ 0.780089] raid6: using algorithm int64x2 gen() 1570 MB/s
[ 0.780201] raid6: .... xor() 1001 MB/s, rmw enabled
[ 0.780349] raid6: using intx1 recovery algorithm
[ 0.781839] Freescale Elo series DMA driver
[ 0.784192] pci 8000:00:03.0: vgaarb: VGA device added: decodes=io+mem,owns=none,locks=none
[ 0.784412] pci 8000:00:03.0: vgaarb: bridge control possible
[ 0.784531] vgaarb: loaded
[ 0.788868] SCSI subsystem initialized
[ 0.792602] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[ 0.793153] usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[ 0.793732] usbcore: registered new device driver usb
[ 0.794992] pps_core: LinuxPPS API ver. 1 registered
[ 0.795148] pps_core: Software ver. 5.3.6 - Copyright 2005-2007 Rodolfo Giometti
[ 0.795666] PTP clock support registered
[ 0.797327] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0
[ 0.805802] Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Initialized.
[ 0.819399] clocksource: Switched to clocksource timebase
[ 0.888069] NET: Registered protocol family 2
[ 0.897963] TCP established hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
[ 0.899230] TCP bind hash table entries: 32768 (order: 8, 1048576 bytes)
[ 0.904516] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 32768)
[ 0.906581] UDP hash table entries: 2048 (order: 5, 196608 bytes)
[ 0.907677] UDP-Lite hash table entries: 2048 (order: 5, 196608 bytes)
[ 0.911032] NET: Registered protocol family 1
[ 0.916201] RPC: Registered named UNIX socket transport module.
[ 0.916341] RPC: Registered udp transport module.
[ 0.916430] RPC: Registered tcp transport module.
[ 0.916517] RPC: Registered tcp NFSv4.1 backchannel transport module.
[ 0.918262] pci 8000:00:05.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[ 0.938789] workingset: timestamp_bits=62 max_order=20 bucket_order=0
[ 1.001146] squashfs: version 4.0 (2009/01/31) Phillip Lougher
[ 1.014597] ntfs: driver 2.1.32 [Flags: R/W].
[ 1.018035] fuse init (API version 7.26)
[ 1.050370] jitterentropy: Initialization failed with host not compliant with requirements: 2
[ 1.051301] async_tx: api initialized (async)
[ 1.052652] Block layer SCSI generic (bsg) driver version 0.4 loaded (major 248)
[ 1.052885] io scheduler noop registered
[ 1.053007] io scheduler deadline registered
[ 1.054707] io scheduler cfq registered (default)
[ 1.054827] io scheduler mq-deadline registered
[ 1.057506] crc32: CRC_LE_BITS = 64, CRC_BE BITS = 64
[ 1.057964] crc32: self tests passed, processed 225944 bytes in 819000 nsec
[ 1.059225] crc32c: CRC_LE_BITS = 64
[ 1.059355] crc32c: self tests passed, processed 225944 bytes in 556000 nsec
[ 1.148124] crc32_combine: 8373 self tests passed
[ 1.240192] crc32c_combine: 8373 self tests passed
[ 1.242738] glob: 64 self-tests passed, 0 failed
[ 1.633578] Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 2 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
[ 1.643878] console [ttyS0] disabled
[ 1.677753] serial8250.0: ttyS0 at MMIO 0xfe0004500 (irq = 42, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A
[ 2.439337] console [ttyS0] enabled
[ 2.444761] ePAPR hypervisor byte channel driver
[ 2.450184] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[ 2.547601] brd: module loaded
[ 2.589936] loop: module loaded
[ 2.593636] Loading iSCSI transport class v2.0-870.
[ 2.599858] iscsi: registered transport (tcp)
[ 2.606276] ahci 8000:00:04.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0003)
[ 2.621658] ahci 8000:00:04.0: AHCI 0001.0000 32 slots 6 ports 1.5 Gbps 0x3f impl SATA mode
[ 2.628921] ahci 8000:00:04.0: flags: 64bit ncq only
[ 2.653508] scsi host0: ahci
[ 2.659220] scsi host1: ahci
[ 2.663582] scsi host2: ahci
[ 2.670178] scsi host3: ahci
[ 2.675510] scsi host4: ahci
[ 2.680098] scsi host5: ahci
[ 2.684315] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e100 irq 20
[ 2.690359] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e180 irq 20
[ 2.696332] ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e200 irq 20
[ 2.702455] ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e280 irq 20
[ 2.709065] ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e300 irq 20
[ 2.714844] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m4096@0xc0825e000 port 0xc0825e380 irq 20
[ 2.735268] platform physmap-flash.0: failed to claim resource 0: [mem 0x08000000-0x07ffffff]
[ 2.746475] libphy: Fixed MDIO Bus: probed
[ 2.755122] jme: JMicron JMC2XX ethernet driver version 1.0.8
[ 2.760454] QLogic/NetXen Network Driver v4.0.82
[ 2.764993] QLogic FastLinQ 4xxxx Core Module qed 8.10.10.20
[ 2.769540] qede_init: QLogic FastLinQ 4xxxx Ethernet Driver qede 8.10.10.20
[ 2.769540]
[ 2.777456] PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
[ 2.782664] PPP BSD Compression module registered
[ 2.786656] PPP Deflate Compression module registered
[ 2.791469] NET: Registered protocol family 24
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[ 3.050300] ata6: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
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[ 3.211876] mmc0: new SD card at address 4567
[ 3.222310] mmcblk0: mmc0:4567 QEMU! 400 MiB
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[ 3.247736] snd_hda_intel 8000:00:02.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
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[ 3.272224] snd_hda_intel 8000:00:02.0: no codecs initialized
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[ 3.408465] hctosys: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)
[ 3.423269] OF: Duplicate name in testcase-data, renamed to "duplicate-name#1"
[ 3.444246] ### dt-test ### start of unittest - you will see error messages
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[ 3.463591] OF: /testcase-data/phandle-tests/consumer-a: could not get #phandle-cells-missing for /testcase-data/phandle-tests/provider1
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[ 3.601724] i2c i2c-0: Added multiplexed i2c bus 1
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You have to take Tlosm's benchmark results with a grain of salt.

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@tlosm

Thanks for entering the discussion and testimony in person. So people can ask directly to you who found the issues.

I pass the (Amiga) ball of the whole thread to you.

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yes yes, you true tony.
let me know how run firefox with facebook on x5000 ubuntu mate vs firefox with facebook on g5 ubuntu mate
same kernel, same glx,same distro and same firefox and same gpu

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I don't know what are the causes of these issues, if they are due to wrong initializing and running the hardware, if perhaps AmigaOS has so deep legacies that collide with new hardware performances or if X5000 is badly designed... We should check carefully what's happening with tlosm benchmarks.

And perhaps do MorphOS initialize and make ancient Apple Hardware running at its best, or does it presents bottlenecks too?

Has it been removed in MorphOS that annoying Amiga legacy issue that prevents using Graphic Cards with memory more of 128MB?

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@Raffaele

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=3827#p42187

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Quote:
We should check carefully what's happening with tlosm benchmarks

the benchmark reflect exactly what i see in software.
example qemu doom on x5000 run less the half of doom on qemu on g5...
this because ram and gpu on x5000 are slow compared g5.
x5000 /20 go at max at 2 Gb/s quad g5 run min at 7 G/bs
x5000 gpu run at max at 4x on g5 at 16x

same test i did on audio video, games overall desktop experience.... x5000 is slower compared the old 2005 970MP... but the strange is integer are better on P50xx but where integer are needed (check the emulators) 970MP beat x5000.
this are simtoms of slow ram and slow video bus if the emulator use fast write/read the gpu vram

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i was wrote about the fixed limit of the ram in dma in pci, in my old post
after 2 years scott wood release the kernel fix.... and leave freescale/nxp :P
but it is a fix in the dts,dtsi or in dtb?

can you post here a dnetc benchmark?

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Quote:

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Has it been removed in MorphOS that annoying Amiga legacy issue that prevents using Graphic Cards with memory more of 128MB?


I think you misunderstood something here.

MorphOS fails to use the 2nd 128MB bank on most Radeon 9250s (some may have only 1 256MB bank and should work).

Using 256MB on a Radeon 9650 or higher ain't a problem.

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Hi,
Except the benchmark and/or LinuxPPC, what about the real use of OS4 on your system ?

Is it not better than your previous Pegasos2 ?


A new system on your signature ? No NDA ?

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According to Amiganews discussion tlosm said he signed no NDA...

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amigaos experience is the best.
x5000/20 and more the x5000/40 are the fastest amigang ever made.
i sign the nda for x5000/20 and dont sign the nda of x5000/40.
Like i been say and will continue write : hyperion guys did his job right, do the best and continue made the best, but cant do miracles if issue come because the bad hw.


why i write about linux because is the os that make me understand performances on different powerpc machine. and i can say that x5000/40 and more x5000/20 cant compete for nothing with my G5 quad in ram performance, in video performances and in desktop user experience.... and this is strange because the integer on P50xx are much more stronger than the G5.

as i say, x5000 gave the feeling of a ferrari on a country road.



i dont compare with pegasos2 ...
but my pegasos2 was a great machine i can say the best ng that i had.
pegasos 2 dont prize like an x5000

I forget to write the varisys cirrus was born as a linux machine, amigaos is a guest

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Quote:
this are simtoms of slow ram and slow video bus if the emulator use fast write/read the gpu vram


What emulators you have in mind?

Quote:
example qemu doom on x5000 run less the half of doom on qemu on g5...


You mean newer Doom release than classic Doom, don´t you? Note higher 970MP FPU performance may play role here.

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All my friend, all .

about "example qemu doom on x5000 run less the half of doom on qemu on g5"
Qemu dont use the fpu on the host for qemu doom on x86 just the integer was use for the qemu for emulate the fpu too

i use same disk image of aros and of windows 98 on both machine
or use qemu-ppc for osx ... performances on x5000 are much slower everyware
same is if i use sheepshaver with emulated cpu.

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If I understand correctly, you emulate x86 via QEMU on both PowerMac G5 and X5000? Are you sure QEMU is not more optimized on G5? If you mean classic Doom, 2D GFX can be bottleneck, but this is emulation problem - Doom certainly is not good benchmark for VRAM speed. I would start with simple benchmarks (eg. dnetc for integer and lame for FPU), then you can try some RAM speed intensive application (eg. MPlayer benchmark with and without video output) to see where really is bottleneck. Do you have some 3D support in QEMU/x86?

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there are not altivec optimization for qemu and when the guest cpu is emulated.
the altivec run if i use paravirtualization but paravirtualization work only in kvm.
kvm dont work on emulated cpu .
Aros x86 is much more faster on qemu on g5 quad than x5000
Be sure the x5000/20 ram transfer is not faster than 2 gb/s . tested with stream on both machine.
X5000 have the P4 ddr 400 ram performances and the slow ram performance you can touch when use the same program on G5 and on X5000 ... switch from the x5000 to g5 you have the same feeling when you use at same time an amiga 030 and switch on amiga with 060 (as an example)

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Again, slower RAM wouldn´t affect (much) classic Doom. As I wrote, I bet GFX emulation is the real bottleneck (and would be most visible part of user experienced "slowness").

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