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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 15-Sep-2017 10:53:29
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i think many users will buy it only for OS4/MOS.


yes. this is for sure.
I buy it first for use amigaos but linuxppc was for me the way for use the machine in productive mode and for use the unused features that are available only on linux ... smp more than 2 gb of ram use of extra boards ... but i understand for this is better continue use the old good g5 quad.

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
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@Seiya

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And i repeat again and i hope is the last time this machine will gave great aos4 and mos experience but is good only for this oses



i think many users will buy it only for OS4/MOS.
For any other OS it is too exxxxxxxpensive
If you want to use Linux, you won't use PPC


Why not? PPC is a processor like another... It depends from the situations of use you could experience that then drive you choose the more appropriate processor for that purpose. The operating system is a choice of consequence, after you choosen the hardware architecture.

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
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my emulated uboot



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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
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a small update

Check the Shot

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 24-Sep-2017 20:51:28
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dnetc v2.9107-515-CFR-09102403 for Linux (Linux 4.11.0-X5000-Tlosm-LB).
Please provide the *entire* version descriptor when submitting bug reports.
The distributed.net bug report pages are at http://bugs.distributed.net/

[Sep 21 23:31:43 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not
recognize the processor (tag: "e5500")
[Sep 21 23:31:43 UTC] OGR-NG: Running micro-bench to select fastest core...
[Sep 21 23:31:48 UTC] OGR-NG: using core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar).
[Sep 21 23:32:07 UTC] OGR-NG: Benchmark for core #0 (KOGE 3.1 Scalar)
0.00:00:16.20 [24,907,113 nodes/sec]
[Sep 21 23:32:07 UTC] RC5-72: Running micro-bench to select fastest core...
[Sep 21 23:32:32 UTC] RC5-72: using core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e).
[Sep 21 23:32:52 UTC] RC5-72: Benchmark for core #6 (MH 1-pipe 604e)
0.00:00:16.95 [25,218,756 keys/sec]


Architecture: ppc64
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order: Big Endian
CPU(s): 2
On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1
Thread(s) per core: 1
Core(s) per socket: 1
Socket(s): 2
Model: QEMU ppce500
L1d cache: 8192K
L1i cache: 8192K
amigaone@Amigaone:~$ dnetc -benchmark

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 16:13:45
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@tlosm

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L1d cache: 8192K


Is this default setting? Seems to be really high number. If this can be set to eg. 32 kB, is dnetc still so fast then?

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 17:34:12
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@pavlor

This is my i7 mac book pro 2012
I m hacking qemu for have better performances


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f this can be set to eg. 32 kB, is dnetc still so fast then?

dont see difference in dnetc results with 32kb or 8MB cache ... im making experiments and many test inside qemu sources for see what can make better performances.

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 17:55:50
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@tlosm

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MH 1-pipe 604e


Quote:
Core(s) per socket: 1
Socket(s): 2
Model: QEMU ppce500


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[Sep 21 23:31:43 UTC] Automatic processor type detection did not recognize the processor (tag: "e5500")

Quote:
Architecture: ppc64 CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Byte Order: Big Endian


I'm not sure I get any of this.
What cpu does Qemu think its running?

And if we can change things around, why not specify 970 cpus?
We'd gain AltiVec.

In any case, is this emulation actually emulating a P5020?

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 18:22:15
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@Beans

It is my macbook pro i7 (2012) emulating an e5500 nxp on a mcp85xxx.

The altivec is available only in pseries (power machines) or in macs hardware .
this machines are not compatibles with AmigaOS

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 18:27:09
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@tlosm

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im making experiments and many test inside qemu sources for see what can make better performances.


Such result is impressive (assuming it is not fine-tuned for one benchmark). Well done!

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 18:33:16
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Such result is impressive (assuming it is not fine-tuned for one benchmark). Well done!


thanks ... and if i think that is my small i7 from a laptop i dont immagine what can made a desktop last gen cpu

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 20:20:30
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@tlosm

MCP85XX, PowerQuic III? That's 32 bit e500, isn't it?
Its not an e5500 core.

So how do you emulate a 64 bit e5500 core by using a 32 bit Soc?

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 20:57:58
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@Beans

nope :) it is e5500 wit mcp85xxx i run the x5000 linux distro on it without issue

this is another of my test log. now from g5

Quote:
processor : 0 cpu : e5500 clock : 1250.000000MHz revision : 2.0 (pvr 8024 0020) processor : 1 cpu : e5500 clock : 1250.000000MHz revision : 2.0 (pvr 8024 0020) processor : 2 cpu : e5500 clock : 1250.000000MHz revision : 2.0 (pvr 8024 0020) processor : 3 cpu : e5500 clock : 1250.000000MHz revision : 2.0 (pvr 8024 0020) timebase : 1250000000 platform : QEMU e500 model : QEMU ppce500



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Architecture: ppc64 CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Byte Order: Big Endian CPU(s): 4 On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3 Thread(s) per core: 1 Core(s) per socket: 1 Socket(s): 4 Model: 2.0 (pvr 8024 0020) Model name: e5500 L1d cache: 32K L1i cache: 32K


e5500 is the P50xx

check a real one x5000 shot:

https://plus.google.com/115515624056477014971/posts/b2x8vsCZs6W


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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 21:39:11
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@tlosm

Interesting, so you used the MPC85XX Soc as a model and swapped in an e5500 core?

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 22:36:09
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@Beans

was not did by me but it was did from Alexander Graf
im just making some hacks and try to integrate something for have "hope" a good os4 experience

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 22:50:34
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@tlosm

Neat stuff.
Looking at what can be done with Qemu, this could be the bridge to another ISA.

Running the legacy PPC code via Qemu, newer stuff natively, some of it might even be able to be hybridized, system calls serviced by the new ISA, legacy code run under Qemu (rather like we are already doing with 68K JIT emulation).

Definitely worth working at.

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 25-Sep-2017 22:58:50
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@Beans

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Beans wrote:
@tlosm

Neat stuff.
Looking at what can be done with Qemu, this could be the bridge to another ISA.

Running the legacy PPC code via Qemu, newer stuff natively, some of it might even be able to be hybridized, system calls serviced by the new ISA, legacy code run under Qemu (rather like we are already doing with 68K JIT emulation).

Definitely worth working at.


yes it can. example i have in kvm-pr the power6/7/8/9 on G5 or G4/G3/60x the cool is in x86 machine or powe8/9 with linux because can made the passthru .
It mean you will have emulated powerpc with real radeon gpu working on it like is a real machine and not emulated. in past this things was did on emulators for mac like was softwindows that use a real voodoo was their gpu.

example this is vpc 3 on a 450mhz g4 emulating a pc but using a real 3dfxvideo
or softwindos (better) video

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Re: first experiment of x5000 on qemu
Posted on 26-Sep-2017 15:19:57
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@tlosm

Too bad your optimalizations aren´t available for WinUAE/QEMU plugin. That would bring us fast OS4 on x86 right now.

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@pavlor

im gaming with fs-uae qemu-uae plugin that is from winuae . i had in past an objective about . will see if after what i learn in this period finally i will do it .

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