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50mm 
MIDI
Posted on 20-Sep-2017 19:12:54
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Hello to all again !

I recently aquired a FATAR Studio logiq 88 key hammer action midi keyboard that I am already enjoying it with my windoze pc . Next to it sharing the same monitor is my AmigaOS 4.1 machine , my pegasos II.

My Midi keyboard is old and do not have a dedicated usb interface but I bought an OEM midi to usb adaptor for only 8 euros and I am not experience any problems so far at all with windows . The proble occurs when I am attaching to my peg this particular midi to usb adapter which freezes the Amiga Os 4.1 . It must be the lack of drivers I think.

So here comes the first question : Do anyone uses Amiga OS 4.1 with a Midi keyboard succsefully whith a midi to usb adapter and if so which one ?

Here comes the second question : If I find a compatible Midi to usb adapter for my Amiga Os4.1 machine , which program-programs do you fellow Amigans use for such a setup. I do not want anything fancy just a program with the ability to use VST Organs with it or one with a good piano sound to it , It doesnt have to be a YAMAHA CF3 :)

Here comes the third and final (for now) question : What about midi latency , Am I gonna need a diferent Amiga Os4.1 compatible sound card from my old sound blaster 5.1? Does my proccesor a G4 at 1.266 Ghz is enouph for such a task?

With my 6 core windoze pc I do not have the need for a dedicated expensive sound card because of the enormous raw processing power or my VIA chip is good enough so no latency at all.


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@50mm

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Do anyone uses Amiga OS 4.1 with a Midi keyboard succsefully whith a midi to usb adapter and if so which one ?

Yes. The device is Bespeco. Works fine with the X1000.

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ability to use VST

I don't think such software exists for AmigaOS. I use sounds of the synthesizers themselves.

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my old sound blaster 5.1

You can use MIDI connectors of a compatible sound card as well.

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Posted on 20-Sep-2017 21:34:19
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@Tomppeli

Is this the correct one? https://www.musicstore.de/en_NO/NOK/Bespeco-BMUSB100-MIDI-USB-Interface-USB-MIDI-Interface/art-PCM0010428-000

If so what programs emulating piano are available to Amiga OS4.1?

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Posted on 20-Sep-2017 21:41:07
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@50mm

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Is this the correct one?

Yes, it looks like the same.

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If so what programs emulating piano are available to Amiga OS4.1?

Nothing comes to mind.

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Posted on 20-Sep-2017 21:42:17
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@Tomppeli

Thank you for your answer!

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Re: MIDI
Posted on 20-Sep-2017 22:14:28
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@All

Actually a little insomnia is a good think sometimes.

I rememberd how picky is my peg II regarding USB ports and I made a little experiment .

I removed one usb cable from my KVM which is my mouse from the onboard USB 1.1 ports of my Pegg II and connected it to my pci usb expansion card. After that I connected my OEM Midi to Usb adapter to the onboard Usb port of my pegasos II and voila ! All working . I even downloaded from OS4Depot the program DG Midi Montor V1 and I the Amiga is receiving midi signals from my Fatar keyboard :)

Now the problem is that the Fatar being a Midi keyboard does not have sound at all ...

So anyone ? Does a piano emulation midi program exist ? Is there any other instruments emulated with midi in Amiga ? There has to be something

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@50mm

Timidity can use sound fonts but you can play midi files only, the playback from midi stream feature is not implemented unfortunately ! I hope others can help you more.

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@Tomppeli

Thank you again my friend .

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Posted on 20-Sep-2017 23:37:06
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@50mm

AmigaOS includes a USB driver for class compatible devices.
I use it regularly with Edirol UM-880, which has 8 MIDI ins and 8 MIDI out.
The driver also works well with most M-Audio devices, except the UNO, which comes in both class compatible and NOT compatible versions.
Also works great with the direct USB port on my Yamaha digital piano, and my Behringer BCR-2000 fader box. Also tested well and in daily use with a MIDIBOX based analog audio mixer.

In fact, it works well with all the above devices at the same time. :)

It DOES have some issues with USB hubs. the existing driver prefers devices plugged directly in to the computer USB ports. This has been fixed, and the new version will release with the next OS release.

This driver is a CAMD driver, so any programs that support CAMD can use it. This includes CAMDPlay, Bars&Pipes for OS4, Horny, and anything else with CAMD support.
CAMD is part of a normal OS4 install.
If you like playing around, there's a bunch of handy utilities called CAMD Tools on OS4Depot that make lots of things possible.

OS4 Final edition comes with a 16 channel soft synthesizer called "Timi", it CAN play in real time, directly off your keyboard (through CAMD) It can even be run multiple times if you need more than 16 channels. It is surprisingly capable, and very easy to install.

Inexpensive USB MIDI interfaces often work well with "normal" MIDI messages, but may struggle with System Exclusive stuff. If you have problems there, you mighty consider another interface.

I am available if you have further questions. I am related to all the software listed above. Some I only maintain, some I helped to port, and a fair bit I wrote myself.

[edit] I have no connection to Horny. Awesome program though..

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 7:24:25
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ability to use VST

Will we ever see VST support under amiga OS?

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 7:55:42
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@50mm

Not exactly what you're looking for, but I have used a Yamaha keyboard connected to the old 15-pin MIDI port on my soundcard with no problems using a bog standard cable. I used HD-Rec, and it was able to play the keyboard sounds no problem. You could also play the HD-Rec instruments with the keyboard, and record the sequences using either set of instruments. A little bit of setting up to do (assigning instruments etc.), but it worked very well with no perceived lag.

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 9:00:47
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@lylehaze

Thank you for your answer , I will investigate the programs you refer to and I will come back if I need somethings to be clarified.

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 9:01:15
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@Daedalus

Thank you for your answer my friend.

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 9:41:13
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Will we ever see VST support under amiga OS?

I don't think so. First of all, someone would have to port the entire VST SDK, which currently is only available for Windows and Mac. The fact that Linux is not officially supported speaks volumes about AmigaOS chances (and Steinberg's interest in such platforms).

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 14:51:29
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@Seaquest

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Will we ever see VST support under amiga OS?


I doubt it would be directly. From what I know about VSTs they aren't exactly designed to be portable. They look like library files compiled to a native binary of the host. And also feature a GUI. So both that and any more to a VST would have to run on OS4.

The only way I could see it happening is with an embedded OSX emulator that runs a PPC VST natively on the host and emulates OSX API calls that redirect to OS4. It could be called Xine. X is not an emulator.

For these reasons (and more) is why Davy had to give up Audio Evolution on OS4 and port it to the PC and more. Which had VST.

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 18:09:48
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@Hypex

I agree that VST is not realistic. However, there are open systems, like http://lv2plug.in/ . It might be possible to port an open source framework and its plugins. Usually needs a dedicated soul..

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 22:04:37
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@lylehaze

I forgot Timi. Unfortunately it has glitches/scratches in sound play and it's too sluggish to follow playing fast tempo properly.

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VST

Maybe somebody could create an x86 emulator and somebody could port Wine to AmigaOS.

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Posted on 21-Sep-2017 23:54:03
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@Tomppeli

I have not seen that here. I wonder what might be the cause?
I have played with some code that modulates the tempo, and I have pushed it pretty hard with no issues coming up.

I'll try to get a closer look. Time has been difficult to find lately.
Thanks for the report.

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Posted on 22-Sep-2017 0:13:36
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@Hypex

There have been rumors of an "audio link library" written for AmigaOS.
Not just for connecting to/from a sound card, but also allowing links between programs, and the insertion of effects into the audio stream.

Unfortunately the guy working it has never played with VST or anything like that, so we're all hoping he doesn't screw it up completely.

As usual, we will only get more info at "some future time".

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@Mr_Capehill

This looks interesting. Good find there. Looks cool. As with anything Amiga the question is what format to compile the binaries in. Suppose we can use library or SO, whatever is best.

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