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You will be assimilated. Maybe not.
Posted on 30-Oct-2017 13:24:39
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Interesting article over on OS NEWS.

OS News

Looks like some people are finally starting to wake up to see the outrageous over complexity of operating systems and their detrimental effect not only on security but also on moving forward with what can be done with a computer. Yes, including those with AmigaOS.

As far as Linux goes there is an effort within the article to get rid of systemd. Probably the most ill conceived Rube Goldberg patch to ever be approved by the community. Nothing more than a bow down to corporate dictates on how people will use what they purchase and a path to absolute control of what you may do with their hardware. Microsoft for hardware?



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Re: You will be assimilated. Maybe not.
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Just trying out ReactOS on a old MSI board (2002) with Opera browser.

It Works

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 15:53:30
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Replacing a security oriented microkernel system with a monolithic one? Don't think that would reduce complexity.

Edit: saw the first line of text and thought it was about replacing the ME with Linux. This is something different, something people already have worked on and yet another misapplication of Linux as a general cure.

Linux is a pragmatic effort based one - systemd is used as it does things other systems doesn't, as it fills a need _and_ because someone made it. But talk is cheap...

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 16:12:30
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@Signal

The article's just about UEFI. That's it. I don't see anything about systemd or simplifying operating systems in general. Did you link to the wrong article?

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 16:30:29
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OS Question:

Got an AMD64 NVidia etc. tower. Added a few gig mem and hd. Used to have the pain in the butt Vista. (Acer) Quite fast but games needed more. Added a GFX card for a while that cost more than the pc itself.

Net machine for my elder parents.


Recommend an OS Please.

Use for typing text and net.. Simple

Win 7 , Ubuntu loaded in this Beast.

Could it be installed via USB as run out of DVD:s and it's old fashioned?

Can Press F12 and select drive.



What Would be the Best , Other Than AOS4,2? (Yes Humour)


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If Windows 7 supports your setup, then it is the right choice. You may even use OS4 under WinUAE.

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 16:56:32
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@Signal

I tried ReactOS a couple of weeks ago and got the BSOD, which is something I usually only see on the menu-board at Wendy's. It probably doesn't like my new hardware.

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@simplex

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The article's just about UEFI. That's it. I don't see anything about systemd or simplifying operating systems in general. Did you link to the wrong article?


No, it's under the 'Implications for startup' heading in the article. Not just the OSNews blurb.

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Re: You will be assimilated. Maybe not.
Posted on 27-Dec-2017 18:07:21
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@pavlor

Yes. I prefer 7 as is now in the used pc. Hopefully the other one too.

Somehow to transfer it.. USB.. DVD are in the shop for today. My skills are more like Amiga.

Install empty..

I hate pc. So here I am . Bought Win Vista and 7 with the computers. Vista is lost. 7 is a also downloaded version but have to use some usb maybe?

How to transfer... Hmm.



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I tried ReactOS a couple of weeks ago and got the BSOD, which is something I usually only see on the menu-board at Wendy's. It probably doesn't like my new hardware.


Yeah, I tried it on a 2015/16 intel board and couldn't even get a PS/2 mouse to work even though it had a PS/2 plug and I had a PS/2 splitter for it.

It's pretty much Alpha stuff. I still can't get any of my junk box sound cards to work. Some of them lock the system up tight.

A RTL 8139 network card is recognized during install and also downloads and installs Wine Gecko for you.

It's all fun.

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 18:23:44
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OS Question:

Got an AMD64 NVidia etc. tower. Added a few gig mem and hd. Used to have the pain in the butt Vista. (Acer) Quite fast but games needed more. Added a GFX card for a while that cost more than the pc itself.

Net machine for my elder parents.


Recommend an OS Please.


I would recommend Linux Mint XFCE. Forget about the fancy desktops.

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 19:09:12
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He Who Controls the Bootloader

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 19:43:07
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@Signal

OK, you mean the slides, not the article. I see that now. I don't think the effect will be as far-reaching as you imply, but given the issues UEFI has caused me, I'd be glad to see it go...

...unless the replacement is just as bad, and I'm not confident Google can be trusted any more than Intel.

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 19:58:29
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@simplex
I'm just a believer in keeping things as simple as possible.

"The more complex the system, the more subtle the errors." Dr. Strangelove

I'm not saying the added complexity doesn't work or is not needed (at this time) just that a search for a less complex method should always be pursued.

Your right about google.

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Posted on 27-Dec-2017 22:45:40
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@Signal

Looked to this too. In some list nro:2.

Well it could come for a girl, my mother so it could be fancy;)

My wife could fancy that too and our two girls.


Seriously it's all the same if the machine boots fast, there is a compatible txt program like LibreOffice and the only thing to be fancy is the net. Opera is fine. Print via a colour laser and maybe Skype .

No mega gaming as it used to be for me.


(Sounds like my XE should be, the first thing only works... Years and years but what do You do with only a fast boot;)

I think their phones are even faster today.. Just wondering how to do this as lacking the empty dvd:s , oh one nearly empty rw found and an usb stick so they could do.

Piling from crap as to be said. Then go to a shop and buy a few hundreds market tower.. (PR Remember the pile of cd:s and DVD:s. Yesterday shop was so fancy they thought that is it a bit old to write on a disk?) Well a grocery place mainly..






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Posted on 28-Dec-2017 23:05:57
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Three evenings from the main machine to usb stick and to the older pc.

Propably give up and let's see how far can I throw the machine in this snow..

Found an usb stick and F12 to boot or from an XP to install. Anything.

Win7, XP Pro too, Ubuntu, Mint..

Any Step By Step links for a bootable or run the xp and setup install?


Or just put it away. Not PR PRoblem anywho.

Have a nice 2018 and Thank You for the suggestions.

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Posted on 28-Dec-2017 23:43:53
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Linux is like a giant ship were people just run around and do whatever they want, however they want. So much has been changed, jury-rigged and repaired ad-hoc that the manuals don't apply any longer and each crew member has developed their own convoluted way of getting things done. Miraculously, the ship hasn't sunk yet despite constantly putting on more ballast.

Microsoft is basically the same thing but everyone gets paid.

Apple is a super efficient warship with militaristic discipline and efficiency, but when you dig deeper you realize its run by cultists, everyone is brainwashed and they sacrifice a kitten every night.

AmigaOS is a ghost ship. Very few have actually seen it, and many doubt it even exists. Most think it was abandoned decades ago.

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@AdvancedFollower

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Linux is like a giant ship were people just run around and do whatever they want, however they want. So much has been changed, jury-rigged and repaired ad-hoc that the manuals don't apply any longer and each crew member has developed their own convoluted way of getting things done. Miraculously, the ship hasn't sunk yet despite constantly putting on more ballast.

Microsoft is basically the same thing but everyone gets paid.

Apple is a super efficient warship with militaristic discipline and efficiency, but when you dig deeper you realize its run by cultists, everyone is brainwashed and they sacrifice a kitten every night.

AmigaOS is a ghost ship. Very few have actually seen it, and many doubt it even exists. Most think it was abandoned decades ago.






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@simplex

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I'm not confident Google can be trusted any more than Intel.

Yes, I think the same. I would include Apple in that group as well.

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Posted on 30-Dec-2017 14:46:49
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@PR

If you want something simple with LibreOffice, various browsers, and lightweight you might want to try PixelOS. It only needs 20 to 30 gig of HD space. You should be able to run it off a USB stick or DVD live.

It's the same OS used on the RPi3 and there is help for setting it up.

PixelOS

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