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Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 17:47:19
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| Hello everyone...
I'm experiencing too much problems on my Pegasos2/AmigaOS4.1:
1 - When get heavy net load my machine locks up and got a DSI...sometimes recoveravble sometimes unrecoverable...
2 - Yahoo webmail wasnt reachabel from Odyssey no way to login...can acces only to standard Gmail, but have all my work mails on Yahoo...
3 - Drive was unloggable like Yahoo webmail...I've all my work cost estimates there and like to use it to have acces eveywhere to them.
4 - Odyssey was not so stable...really often get DSI(probably related to first problem).
So my use of AmigaOS was really difficult...I always like to usa AmigaOS as my main system(only thing that I can do actually was use blender or some game), but that problems really take me "down" on motivation...so...
Everyone have same problem or maybe was problem related only to my config like some weird psu problem or hw problem?
If I've got an hw problem dunno what to do...actual new AmigaOS4 capable hw as or too expensive(like x5000) or too weak(like aA1222 that was someway interesting only if REALLY cheap but, honestly, dot think that), emulation seems still too slow/without 3D/unusable for my AmigaOS way of use...
Any suggestion?
Thank you!
Last edited by Tuxedo on 11-Nov-2017 at 09:14 PM. Last edited by Tuxedo on 11-Nov-2017 at 09:13 PM. Last edited by Tuxedo on 11-Nov-2017 at 07:30 PM. Last edited by Tuxedo on 11-Nov-2017 at 05:47 PM.
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 19:17:05
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 21:05:55
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 21:07:44
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 21:14:15
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Sorry! I misstype...I mean ODYSSEY
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 21:22:01
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Odyssey has unfortunately fallen behind ith more and more sites failing, like google drive, facebook, Word Online, some online shops, etc...
Odyssey also gets unstable, makes the whole system unstable, if you have played any video with it, like facebook inline-video or youtube.
Your other problems could possibly be because of a failing power supply maybe? Or you used Odyssey to play a video before. _________________ - Don't get fooled by my avatar, I'm not like that (anymore, mostly... maybe only sometimes) > Amiga Classic and OS4 developer for OnyxSoft. |
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 23:11:55
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Pegasus II here also G4 at 1266 MHz , same problems with odyssey . Its the only program that makes my system unstable . I use the very stable net surf 3.7 wherever I can and the problem is solved but have in mind that many sites that work with Odyssey don't work with net surf so only a temporary solution ...
Its ironic that the most needed program in a modern personal computer is problematic in so many ways in our platform. I sometimes wish I had the money and the skills to contribute for a solution but also I often think that its a miracle that our beloved OS make it so far .
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 11-Nov-2017 23:22:57
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More fundamentally, we need a much improved TCP/IP stack. _________________ --------------- AmigaOne X5000 P5020 2Ghz, OS 4.1 AmigaOne XE G4 800mhz, OS 4.1 A1200T 40Mhz 68040, OS 3.9 |
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 2:25:04
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The TCP/IP stack is not the limitation here. It works reliably and does not crash. Only the browsers cause instability problems. The problem is the huge amount of code for each browser and it's just too much for any small team to maintain.
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 10:51:48
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tonyw wrote: @daveyw
The TCP/IP stack is not the limitation here. It works reliably and does not crash. Only the browsers cause instability problems. The problem is the huge amount of code for each browser and it's just too much for any small team to maintain.
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I interpreted daveyw's post not as he thought the TCP/IP stack was the source of instability, but that he see a need for a new TCP/IP stack that has modern features.
In MorphOS, Netstack is based on the FreeBSD TCP/IP stack. Already should it be based on 2.2 BSD (+patches) implementation of TCIP/IP, and Nadir said years ago that he was working on a new Netstack version based on the very latest FreeBSD source tree that is based on the 4.x BSD implementation of TCP/IP. This will bring huge improvements, both in features and performance. I don't know if this will be in MorphOS 3.10 (no-one that has seen it in shows/demos seems to have been looking for updates in Netstack unfortunately), but one thing that will be featured in MorphOS 3.10 is a new version of Odyssey based on a recent Webkit.
So yes, it is possible for small teams to maintain both modern TCP/IP stacks and browsers!
As to the instability issues in this particular case, it can be down to a number of reasons, ranging from hardware (like power supply, memory issues or other things), to OS, to OS4's "FrankenMUI", to the quality of the OS4 Odyssey port itself, etc, and any or all in certain combinations. While the latest public release of Odyssey for MorphOS (the new versions requires components from MorphOS 3.10 so none has been released yet) is aging thus failing some particular sites for this reason, and the memory leak issue in Webkit that is unfortunate for systems with no virtual memory, I wouldn't call the MorphOS version generally "unstable" per se, not at all. Feels kind of solid to me. So I believe it's down to the OS4 implementation of things...
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 12:38:23
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So there is a new version of Odyssey with MorphOS 3.10
Is this version 1.26 or 1.25 to match the existing Aros version.
Hopefully this too will be ported to Amiga OS4 😀 _________________ Amigaone X5000/20 4GB Radeon RX 550 Polaris 12 AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition Update 1 Amiga 1200 Workbench 3.1.4 Amiga CD32 |
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 13:43:50
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I suppose it will contain all improvements Fab (etc) made to the MorphOS browser itself (some things that requires MorphOS 3.10 stuff for sure), together with a recent adoption of Webkit, and they will assign a chronological version number to it upon release. I have no idea how (or even if) this will relate to whatever Aros developers have been doing in the meantime. |
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 13:55:27
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Good luck Tuxedo,I think I had some issues with Odyssey on Amiga OS 3.1 FE Update 1 too Last edited by newlight on 12-Nov-2017 at 01:55 PM.
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 14:24:15
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1. Does any thing specific cause the DSI? Any clues in the main part of the crash log? Lately Odyssey has been freezing here. Whole system locks up it's getting so bad.
2. I use Yahoo groups and had trouble managing files even though I could login. But lately one of my Yahoo accounts won't log in from YAM where I have it set up. They may have changed some settings. Check from a PC (such as) and see if it works there. Or you may need to redirect your Yahoo mail to GMail in the meantime.
3. Same for the Drive handler we have?
4. At least you are getting DSI. Better than a freeze. Not that it really helps. |
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 12-Nov-2017 23:02:07
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I agree with everything you say. When I said that it's too much work for small teams, I was referring to the OS4 versions. I have no knowledge or experience with MOS versions (of anything).
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 13-Nov-2017 13:22:55
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| Deadwood fixed bugs that are being used in new MorphOS version (memory leaks for eg.), along with setting up a repository for Odyssey and made it "easy" to just drop in replacement/updated webkit code. It was set up for the benefit for all amiga-oid systems, so it'd be mad if it wasnt taken advantage of. Not to mention the fact that Fab and Deadwood used to talk and help each other with Odyssey.
Odyssey development has to a degree shared amongst all camps, regardless of how folks (who are only users) try to use it as their trump card.
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 13-Nov-2017 18:50:43
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thank you for ideas, that evening I hope to make some tests(I've got a psu tester and a ddr ram bank) and than I'll post something...
PS ddr2 533 was ok for Pegasos2?
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 13-Nov-2017 21:15:45
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2. I use Yahoo groups and had trouble managing files even though I could login. But lately one of my Yahoo accounts won't log in from YAM where I have it set up. They may have changed some settings. Check from a PC (such as) and see if it works there. Or you may need to redirect your Yahoo mail to GMail in the meantime.
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Attempt to check Yahoo mail via Yam and pop3 resulted in the following warning to my alternate email account.
I was able to sign in to Yahoo mail using Odyssey and "Classic Mail" option ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Your account is currently not enabled to sign in from apps that do not meet modern security standards (ex. Older versions of mail and calendar apps such as Outlook). As a result, we prevented a sign in to your Yahoo account . Date and Time: November 13, 2017 1:06:51 PM PST Location:
We strongly recommend that you switch to Yahoo's apps such as Yahoo Mail on desktop and mobile and remove your account from all other less secure apps. If you still want to use an app that uses less secure sign in, go to https://login.yahoo.com/account/security#other-apps and turn on "Allow apps that use less secure sign in". This is not recommended and may leave your account more vulnerable to compromise. To learn more, please visit our help page: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN27791.html. Yahoo blocked this sign in attempt, but if it looks suspicious to you or it's not from an application that you're using, go to https://login.yahoo.com/account/change-password and change the password for your account. You are receiving this notification because xxx@xxx.xx is listed as a recovery email for xxx@yahoo.com. Sincerely, Yahoo ========================================================================
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 13-Nov-2017 22:14:01
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thank you, seems that your link works also on Odyssey.
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I tested the PSU with a PSU tester and seems that 12v was a bit low (about 11.9 instead of 12.5), tomorrow I'll test a new PSU and look what happens...
Now with only one RAM DIMM module instered the system seems really much reliable... Last edited by Tuxedo on 13-Nov-2017 at 10:14 PM.
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Re: Too troubles...AmigaOS problem or HW problem? Posted on 13-Nov-2017 23:20:32
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thank you for ideas, that evening I hope to make some tests(I've got a psu tester and a ddr ram bank) and than I'll post something...
PS ddr2 533 was ok for Pegasos2?
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The Pegasos2 was in a way picky about RAM (>1GB, >1 stick). See this discussion, especially posts from Neko, especially regarding motherboard revisions, number of sticks and manufacturer and model.
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