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Beans 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
Posted on 1-Jan-2018 18:13:01
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@kolla

From what I remember from the wording of the settlement, Hyperion was granted the sole license to develop from OS3.1 source code, not just for OS4, but for whatever other AmigaOS X.x they decided to follow OS4 with.

I'm not a big fan of Ben Herman's, but he IS on solid legal ground here.

Further, he was granted the right to use AmigaOS and AmigaOne trademarks at the same time.

Cloanto has managed to copyright Workbench (which I've always thought of as the interface), and now the Amiga copyright itself, but really, what have they done to further Amiga development?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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sell to a-eon? Why?

What benefit would give that to the average Joe

a-eon is a "PPC NG" company

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@OlafS25

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a-eon is a "PPC NG" company


Aeon just commissions the designs and has them built. I don't remember them ever stating they'd only be will to support one ISA.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@Beans

Behind a-eon is mainly Trevor D. who never supported anything except 4.X on PPC. He invested lots of money in PPC hardware. Why would he ever think about any ISA change

Stay realistic

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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Someone pass the popcorn please...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
Posted on 1-Jan-2018 21:37:55
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Real 68k processor + real PPC processor + minimig FPGA core on a card for a PC. 80 USD.


Even a low-end x86 CPU can emulate a 68k CPU in software at greater performance than any real 68k, so adding a real 68k would just add cost and complexity.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if soon we will be able to emulate an entire AmigaOne on x86 at acceptable speeds using something like QENU. It already emulates PPC Macs. In fact, it isn't anything new - Rosetta emulated PPC on x86 Macs over a decade ago. The pieces already exist, it would just takes a bunch of software development to make it happen.

Amiga Forever 2019 - AmigaOne Edition. Now there's something to make the lawyers foam at the mouth.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
Posted on 1-Jan-2018 21:45:16
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@OlafS25

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He invested lots of money in PPC hardware. Why would he ever think about any ISA change


Lack of choice?
If the OS vendor supports a different ISA, do you insist on continuing to remain in only one arena, or compete in any available?

AmigaOS has my vote for NG operating system most likely to be ported to ARM.
AROS is already X86, MorphOS is supposed to move to X64....

I suppose AmigaOS could be ported to X64, but hardware availability there would make custom boards pretty pointless.

The entire issue is irrelevant to me. I intend to buy an X5000/40 as my last PPC MorphOS/OS4 machine (although I'll still support the T2080 laptop project at least under Linux).

And I already have a broad selection of X64 hardware. Hopefully MorphOS will eventually support something like the new Ryzen5 APUs that have just been introduced.
AMD graphics and a decent cpu in one package (mitx would make that doubly nice).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@Beans

AROS is already on ARM.
OS4 isn't exactly super portable, from what I have read.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@kolla

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OS4 isn't exactly super portable, from what I have read.


PPC to ARM should be easier than PPC to X64.

Ideally, Power9 would be something that could provide a really boost in performance, but there are no relatively inexpensive Power platforms right now.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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So this is how we start the new year? Really?

I really hope you can sort this out quickly in a cooperative manner.

Hans

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@Beans

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Beans wrote:

PPC to ARM should be easier than PPC to X64.


And why would that be?

Big endian in current ARMs is almost gone, so that one won't help.

Most ARM stuff comes with custom GPUs (and other stuff) that is only supported via binary-blob, while x64 systems can use more or less the same HW already supported in PPC.

Also ARM != ARM in a sense that something like Tabor will happen ever and ever again.

So in reality, either x64 or some virtual CPU (something like Amithlon was and still might be a good idea).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights


IMR Hyperion bought (got) the rights from a company they once doubted (during a former court case) for not having this rights.

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AFAIK the new fight between Hyperion and Cloanto is mostly about the Amiga brand names and AOS3.x not about AOS4 or AmigaOnes that could still be sold as HyperionOS for AEONOnes ...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@OlafS25

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Behind a-eon is mainly Trevor D. who never supported anything except 4.X on PPC. He invested lots of money in PPC hardware. Why would he ever think about any ISA change


Prisma Megamix isn't for NG and they also made the latest Personal Paint available for 68k.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 0:27:38
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None of this matters. If I was to develop a new version of Amiga OS using the leaked OS3.1 source code and then sell it - how much trouble could I get in?

A judge would first have to establish who owns the source code / Amiga OS and Amiga names and if he did pick someone he would have to award them damages. Well if I did a half decent job and marketed it well, a thousand of you suckers just might have bought it.

Then there's the complainant - Hyperion or Colanto who probably haven't shifted a thousand of anything for a long while.

So it may lead to £10,000 - £20,000 with costs for going against a maverick who decided to test the water. Hardly a reason to defend IP rights over a defunct computer so vehemently.

It's very small cottage industry sums of money they are arguing over but to read their statements makes you feel as if Apple had just ported Windows to the Mac and was flogging it as if Apple owned Windows.

Still funny to read.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@Kronos

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So in reality, either x64 or some virtual CPU (something like Amithlon was and still might be a good idea).


Well, that does seem to be the direction MorphOS is headed, but if OS4 went to commodity hardware as well, what would Aeon do?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@kolla

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AROS is already on ARM.

AROS hosted on Linux works, but I haven't heard much about the native port for a while now.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@Rob

the latest Personal Paint offered not much new to 68k user, the main purpose of the new personal paint was to get it running native on 4.X. And Prisma Megamix... yes. It became very silent recently, is it available and are driver problems solved?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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@OlafS25

A-EON is very focussed on 68K and OS3. The Enhancer Software OS3 is being developed for this market place.

New Personal Paint 7.3b for 68K/OS3 is offered as option on new hard disk drives at Amiga Kit:

https://amigakit.amiga.store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=883

It is also offered as a separate package here:

https://amigakit.amiga.store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1292

Prisma has been on sale for a while and drivers have reached stable level in 2016:

https://amigakit.amiga.store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1218

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
Posted on 2-Jan-2018 11:02:44
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@OlafS25

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the latest Personal Paint offered not much new to 68k user, the main purpose of the new personal paint was to get it running native on 4.X.


It doesn't matter how much new it offers on 68k.

Quote:
is it available and are driver problems solved?


Go check for yourself. I'm not your donkey.

The point is that your earlier statement was wrong.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment confirms IP rights
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Very interesting. I read the filed lawsuit document. Cloanto does have some good points. I do recall Amiga Inc fighting Hyperion previously saying that Hyperion only has rights to AmigaOS 4. This will be an interesting development in the new year.

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