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skype End to end encryption ?
Posted on 14-Jan-2018 23:10:14
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Hi all

Whats your views on end to end encryption good or bad ?


with the way the world is now i feel its a bad thing and will only goto to help the bad people out there.

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re:bad guys

There are more bad guys in government and big companies than individuals held mutually accountable. Encryption keeps the bad guys out.

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@g01df1sh

Skype is not a peer to peer (end to end) application, so there is always someone at Skype who can capture your conversation. When Microsoft bought Skype, I lost the ability to delete voice mails. Since Bill Gates is a Globalist and Microsoft has preferential treatment from the U.S. government, and probably other governments, and Windows makes hidden copies of all your Office files, I don't trust them.

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@g01df1sh

My mail is end-to-end encyrpted, most of my messaging is end-to-end encrypted. I have tracking blockers on my browser and my hard disk is encrypted.

Not because I'm up to something, I just don't like the idea of beeing snooped for data.

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https://www.wired.com/story/skype-end-to-end-encryption-voice-text/

so is it or not ????

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I am not an encryption expert, but here are some thoughts I have about potential methods of decryption.
- secretly transmit the key so that the middle gateway can decrypt the stream.
- do a secondary key encryption and compression with a key known by The middle gateway.
- copy the data before encryption or after decryption
- copy the encrypted data at the middle gateway, and deposit it at the NSA for decryption using one of the above keys, or efficient decryption breaking algorithms.
- assume that most of the skype users will be on cell networks, and make a hidden simultaneous call, which is collected by the Stingray program and other methods.

We know they have been collecting data at the primary Internet backbones sice the 1990s, but i am not familiar with the decryption methods being used.

Edit... After I wrote this, I'm wondering if they will just create a dynamic key at the gateway instead of creating your own. In that case, of course They can get all of the data unencrypted and the only people it would block are LAN / WAN sniffers.

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@g01df1sh

Do you really think that bad guys won't find another way of messaging each other if their preferred method is opened up? Then all you're left with is a system where legitimate, innocent people have their conversations readable/listenable by the government and anyone else who figures out how to use the same back door, while the "bad guys" use WhatsApp / iMessages / anything else that offers end-to-end encryption. Hell, there are probably "bad guy" developers out there who have created secret chat apps that you've never even heard of.

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Re: skype End to end encryption ?
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The way things are going politically both in US and Europa (and the rest of the world for that matter), free speech is under assault from goverments. Even if Microsoft wrote in big fat letters on a billboard "We wont hand over your information to x goverments" they are just one court order away from doing that at any time.

The socalled "bad guys" I get a sense you are alluding to is the least of our problem. Fascism both in USA and Europa is a bigger issue. And then I mean our goverments. I guess it might sound very harsh/tinfoil, but all fascism means is a corporate takeover of goverment. Ask yourself which way things are going.

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Hi Agree they most likely do have custom built software for messaging. There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. Either way the bad guys will always be one step ahead. What needs to happen is the punishment if your caught needs to be a hell of a lot worse than it currently is.

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Re: skype End to end encryption ?
Posted on 16-Jan-2018 13:23:34
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@g01df1sh

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What needs to happen is the punishment if your court needs to be a hell of a lot worse than it currently is.


What does that even mean?

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@Overflow

Not fined exported out of country if your not born here. If your born here life with no option of ever coming out. Simple

If your conversations our terror related.

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Posted on 16-Jan-2018 13:33:22
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@g01df1sh

Sounds like you have given the topic alot of thought.

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@Overflow

I think he meant "caught", not "court".

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Thx for typo mistake my spelling is crap I know sorry guys

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@g01df1sh

Quote:

g01df1sh wrote:

There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. Either way the bad guys will always be one step ahead.


If backdoors to encryption won't work for that reason, then surely there *is* a right answer: don't have back doors to the encryption. It's very simple.

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Posted on 17-Jan-2018 14:03:57
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Windows and most of the softawre that runs on it has so many back doors its like a block of flats with all its doors open. Daily updates and its still crap but the whole world uses it. How did we get sucked into using such a shity os LOL.

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