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AmigaBlitter 
It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:08:09
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Well,

if someone didn't noticed, time is passing and progress are really slow.

Part III of this thread is from may-2011 (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33675&forum=2)

Developers and companies should really get along to move the platform forward.


A new call to AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:17:42
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is that another call to give up morphos, aros and genuine amiga in order to support os4? there are fundamental differences, which are the reason why these alternatives co-exist. most notably licensing problems around os4 make it impossible to cooperate with aros. however os4 can take advantage of aros development.

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Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:32:14
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For the first time one unique and low cost computer (mother board) supported by OS4, Morphos, Aros
Can be Tabor 1222!?!

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AmigaBlitter 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:40:13
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@wawa

"most notably licensing problems"

you are right here.

But again, since many years, can you see a significant step forward for all involved companies and devs?

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:51:49
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@wawa

is that another call to give up morphos, AmigaOS4 and AmigaOS3.x in order to support AROS?


The call is general, including ALL flavours of AmigaOS.

Again, it is NOT the fault of AmigaOS4 that AROS´ development progress is slow. It´s the fault of the AROS people, noone´s else. The licensing is not the problem AROS suffers from (what for any OS4-related license is needed by AROS development team again? Name? Oh, the functionality is not that important? Good to know...)

Make proposals regarding AROS in order to drive it´s development instead of accusing other people, who are simply doing their own things and are not interested in AROS (yet).

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@sinisrus

morphos developers already refused support for this platform. some ppc enthusiast may however work on aros target for it. still, i dont think having all three different systems available for the same hardware is to be considered "cooperation".

it doesnt mean joining the forces in order to reduce overall amount of work, but rather the opposite.

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depends on your definition of a "significant step" within a very tiny niche market. For OS4 there were several significant steps, most notably the new PPC hardwares (do any quality and price discussions elsewhere, please!).

For AROS I think it´s the trial for SMP.

MorphOS is difficult to say (at least for me), but I think it´s the decision many people talk about, to go the x64 way.

Regarding results: we´ll see

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wawa 
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But again, since many years, can you see a significant step forward for all involved companies and devs?


join the forces on a free and open version of amiga os, portable to whatever platform and genuinely accepting testing and contributions by everybody who is motivated to, without unnecessary restrictions like nda and other legal handicaps, that might render the whole approach in vain.

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Again, it is NOT the fault of AmigaOS4 that AROS´ development progress is slow.


same as its not aros fault if os4 and morphos progress is slow.

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The licensing is not the problem AROS suffers from


exactly. aros solves that problem, rather than to suffer from it.

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what for any OS4-related license is needed by AROS development team again? Name


no. not in my view. im fine to call it aros, whether it runs on pc, amiga or whatever else.

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Make proposals regarding AROS in order to drive it´s development instead of accusing other people, who are simply doing their own things and are not interested in AROS (yet).


i did, above. imho aros is the only possible common ground for cooperation, and therefore im choosing it. however person, who is under nda or has worked with souces that are either spoken for or of unclear legal status, may be prevented to contribute to it.

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wajdy 
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Posted on 18-Jan-2018 15:36:52
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@AmigaBlitter

As a spectator for hundreds of years now I am disappointed with current efforts to have a modern browser.

I mean, most low end devices in the market have it, while Amigans are struggling to use a decent one on their costly devices.

Now back to hyper-nation.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 19:47:39
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@wajdy

Modern browser is just an example.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
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AmigaBlitter wrote:

...Developers and companies should really get along to move the platform forward.
A new call to AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS



that would be much welcome and actually UTOPIA for all Amiga users

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Posted on 19-Jan-2018 10:04:09
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@wajdy

I couldn’t agree more, the benefits of conjoined forces just for a decent maintained web browser would be something that would maintain many peoples interest in using AmigaOS and MorohOS.

Unfortunately the stalemate of each camp protecting their ip believing they are the true spiritual successor to Amiga will go down to the very end and death of the community.

As we are seeing now with Cloanto and Hyperion and the lack of movement in MorphOS and Aros is driving Amigans back to their classic Amigas.

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 13:31:40
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@whose

Is it the fault of Aros that there is no progress at AmigaOS for years? ;)

Do not throw with stones if you sit in a glass house

you know what I mean?

;)

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to do a honest answer there are emotional reasons, technical reasons and legal reasons why this not happens and there is a lack of interest and deep mistrust and partly hate between important players. So it will not happen, even if there is part XX nothing will have changed (as long there are still interested users existing at all at that time).

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@Fairdinkem

in my view classic amiga with new extensions based on FPGA are the only realistic future for amiga, at least as a interesting retro platform. NG has failed to establish, in my view it was not NG enough to really attract users, AmigaOS additionally has problems because of the expensive hardware. Future regarding classic does not mean mainstream but existing as a niche that is big enough for indy developers and enthusiasts to support it and perhaps regain some users. That is best option, alternative the platform slowly dies together with its last users.

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Posted on 19-Jan-2018 16:58:41
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@wawa

I think that all ships are sinking and if we want to have anything related to the Amiga brand left we should join forces and forget about the past.

The brand is dying, that's what's happening. The heart is in the Amiga deep down inside and the question is if you're rather without the Amiga than with what's left of it.

For me AOS 4 is the way forward but opinions differ. I don't mind the alternatives but if I have to choose I'll choose AOS 4. It got most of the Amiga-spirit intact and it's driven by Amiga-enthusiasts.

I think that it'll soon be over if we can't overcome the differences. AROS might live on for a while as an open-source alternative and so might MOS/AOS 4 do should they become open source but there aren't enough people around who wants to develope it further. It'll be like with Firefox, lots of people wanted and tried but that was it.

If this fail it will eventually be bye-bye for the Amiga and it will just be a memory. That might happen anyway but why not fight for what we truly love? It isn't fighting that we love, it is the brand, what it has brought to us and the reason to why we still turn the Amigas on. I'm typing this in NetSurf right now, listening to some music and enjoying it.

I'm in a really bad shape and can't contribute with much. Just some thoughts and perhaps it's just dreams but it's the way that I see it. I said it a long time ago and it's still my opinion, there's no use fighting because we will lose it all.

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Posted on 19-Jan-2018 17:35:11
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@AmigaBlitter

Since OS4.x development is split between Hyperion Entertainment C.V.B.A., A-Eon Technologies/Amigakit, please tell me who would be speaking on behalf of THAT group to make any deals with anyone else?

Surely you know from reading any links I've supplied from OS4welt.de that Costel (who is the only one remotely speaking on behalf of OS4.x development at this point) has expressed numerous issues regarding various other individuals/groups within the Amiverse.
Frankly the honesty is refreshing, but I don't currently see it leading to any agreement on the path of development or the ability either.

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Posted on 19-Jan-2018 18:17:58
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@OlafS25

+1

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Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 20:10:54
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Quote:

wawa wrote:
no. not in my view. im fine to call it aros, whether it runs on pc, amiga or whatever else.


since when does aros run on amiga?

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