Click Here
home features news forums classifieds faqs links search
6071 members 
Amiga Q&A /  Free for All /  Emulation /  Gaming / (Latest Posts)
Login

Nickname

Password

Lost Password?

Don't have an account yet?
Register now!

Support Amigaworld.net
Your support is needed and is appreciated as Amigaworld.net is primarily dependent upon the support of its users.
Donate

Menu
Main sections
» Home
» Features
» News
» Forums
» Classifieds
» Links
» Downloads
Extras
» OS4 Zone
» IRC Network
» AmigaWorld Radio
» Newsfeed
» Top Members
» Amiga Dealers
Information
» About Us
» FAQs
» Advertise
» Polls
» Terms of Service
» Search

IRC Channel
Server: irc.amigaworld.net
Ports: 1024,5555, 6665-6669
SSL port: 6697
Channel: #Amigaworld
Channel Policy and Guidelines

Who's Online
22 crawler(s) on-line.
 112 guest(s) on-line.
 0 member(s) on-line.



You are an anonymous user.
Register Now!
 NutsAboutAmiga:  15 mins ago
 zipper:  16 mins ago
 clint:  52 mins ago
 RickSkid:  1 hr 2 mins ago
 bhabbott:  1 hr 7 mins ago
 BigD:  1 hr 10 mins ago
 Diane:  1 hr 12 mins ago
 VooDoo:  1 hr 16 mins ago
 A1200:  1 hr 20 mins ago
 pixie:  1 hr 32 mins ago

/  Forum Index
   /  Amiga General Chat
      /  It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Register To Post

Goto page ( 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 Next Page )
PosterThread
AmigaBlitter 
It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:08:09
#1 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 26-Sep-2005
Posts: 3512
From: Unknown

Well,

if someone didn't noticed, time is passing and progress are really slow.

Part III of this thread is from may-2011 (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33675&forum=2)

Developers and companies should really get along to move the platform forward.


A new call to AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS

Last edited by AmigaBlitter on 18-Jan-2018 at 01:29 PM.
Last edited by AmigaBlitter on 18-Jan-2018 at 01:27 PM.

_________________
retired

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wawa 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:17:42
#2 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Jan-2008
Posts: 6259
From: Unknown

@AmigaBlitter

is that another call to give up morphos, aros and genuine amiga in order to support os4? there are fundamental differences, which are the reason why these alternatives co-exist. most notably licensing problems around os4 make it impossible to cooperate with aros. however os4 can take advantage of aros development.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
sinisrus 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:32:14
#3 ]
Member
Joined: 8-Dec-2006
Posts: 76
From: Unknown

@AmigaBlitter

For the first time one unique and low cost computer (mother board) supported by OS4, Morphos, Aros
Can be Tabor 1222!?!

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
AmigaBlitter 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:40:13
#4 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 26-Sep-2005
Posts: 3512
From: Unknown

@wawa

"most notably licensing problems"

you are right here.

But again, since many years, can you see a significant step forward for all involved companies and devs?

_________________
retired

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
whose 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:51:49
#5 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 21-Jun-2005
Posts: 893
From: Germany

@wawa

is that another call to give up morphos, AmigaOS4 and AmigaOS3.x in order to support AROS?


The call is general, including ALL flavours of AmigaOS.

Again, it is NOT the fault of AmigaOS4 that AROS´ development progress is slow. It´s the fault of the AROS people, noone´s else. The licensing is not the problem AROS suffers from (what for any OS4-related license is needed by AROS development team again? Name? Oh, the functionality is not that important? Good to know...)

Make proposals regarding AROS in order to drive it´s development instead of accusing other people, who are simply doing their own things and are not interested in AROS (yet).

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wawa 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:55:06
#6 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Jan-2008
Posts: 6259
From: Unknown

@sinisrus

morphos developers already refused support for this platform. some ppc enthusiast may however work on aros target for it. still, i dont think having all three different systems available for the same hardware is to be considered "cooperation".

it doesnt mean joining the forces in order to reduce overall amount of work, but rather the opposite.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
whose 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:56:29
#7 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 21-Jun-2005
Posts: 893
From: Germany

@AmigaBlitter

depends on your definition of a "significant step" within a very tiny niche market. For OS4 there were several significant steps, most notably the new PPC hardwares (do any quality and price discussions elsewhere, please!).

For AROS I think it´s the trial for SMP.

MorphOS is difficult to say (at least for me), but I think it´s the decision many people talk about, to go the x64 way.

Regarding results: we´ll see

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wawa 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 13:58:57
#8 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Jan-2008
Posts: 6259
From: Unknown

@AmigaBlitter

Quote:
But again, since many years, can you see a significant step forward for all involved companies and devs?


join the forces on a free and open version of amiga os, portable to whatever platform and genuinely accepting testing and contributions by everybody who is motivated to, without unnecessary restrictions like nda and other legal handicaps, that might render the whole approach in vain.

Last edited by wawa on 18-Jan-2018 at 01:59 PM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wawa 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 14:09:31
#9 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 21-Jan-2008
Posts: 6259
From: Unknown

@whose

Quote:
Again, it is NOT the fault of AmigaOS4 that AROS´ development progress is slow.


same as its not aros fault if os4 and morphos progress is slow.

Quote:
The licensing is not the problem AROS suffers from


exactly. aros solves that problem, rather than to suffer from it.

Quote:
what for any OS4-related license is needed by AROS development team again? Name


no. not in my view. im fine to call it aros, whether it runs on pc, amiga or whatever else.

Quote:
Make proposals regarding AROS in order to drive it´s development instead of accusing other people, who are simply doing their own things and are not interested in AROS (yet).


i did, above. imho aros is the only possible common ground for cooperation, and therefore im choosing it. however person, who is under nda or has worked with souces that are either spoken for or of unclear legal status, may be prevented to contribute to it.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
wajdy 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 15:36:52
#10 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 27-Oct-2006
Posts: 192
From: Amigania

@AmigaBlitter

As a spectator for hundreds of years now I am disappointed with current efforts to have a modern browser.

I mean, most low end devices in the market have it, while Amigans are struggling to use a decent one on their costly devices.

Now back to hyper-nation.

Waj

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
AmigaBlitter 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 18-Jan-2018 19:47:39
#11 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 26-Sep-2005
Posts: 3512
From: Unknown

@wajdy

Modern browser is just an example.

_________________
retired

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
klx300r 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 1:20:19
#12 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 4-Mar-2008
Posts: 3833
From: Toronto, Canada

Quote:

AmigaBlitter wrote:

...Developers and companies should really get along to move the platform forward.
A new call to AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS



that would be much welcome and actually UTOPIA for all Amiga users

_________________
____________________________
c64-2sids, A1000, A1200T-060@50(finally working!),A4000-CSMKIII
! My Master Miggies- Amiga 1000 & AmigaOne X1000 !
mancave-ramblings
X1000 I BELIEVE

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Fairdinkem 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 10:04:09
#13 ]
Cult Member
Joined: 23-Feb-2010
Posts: 517
From: Victoria, Australia

@wajdy

I couldn’t agree more, the benefits of conjoined forces just for a decent maintained web browser would be something that would maintain many peoples interest in using AmigaOS and MorohOS.

Unfortunately the stalemate of each camp protecting their ip believing they are the true spiritual successor to Amiga will go down to the very end and death of the community.

As we are seeing now with Cloanto and Hyperion and the lack of movement in MorphOS and Aros is driving Amigans back to their classic Amigas.

_________________
Amiga A1200T - TF1260 - R9200 - Indivision AGA MK3
Amiga A500 - PiStorm EMU68
Pegasos 2 G4 - AmigaOS 4.1 FE / MorphOS 3.16

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
OlafS25 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 13:31:40
#14 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 12-May-2010
Posts: 6321
From: Unknown

@whose

Is it the fault of Aros that there is no progress at AmigaOS for years? ;)

Do not throw with stones if you sit in a glass house

you know what I mean?

;)

Last edited by OlafS25 on 19-Jan-2018 at 01:35 PM.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
OlafS25 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 13:34:59
#15 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 12-May-2010
Posts: 6321
From: Unknown

@AmigaBlitter

to do a honest answer there are emotional reasons, technical reasons and legal reasons why this not happens and there is a lack of interest and deep mistrust and partly hate between important players. So it will not happen, even if there is part XX nothing will have changed (as long there are still interested users existing at all at that time).

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
OlafS25 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 13:45:15
#16 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 12-May-2010
Posts: 6321
From: Unknown

@Fairdinkem

in my view classic amiga with new extensions based on FPGA are the only realistic future for amiga, at least as a interesting retro platform. NG has failed to establish, in my view it was not NG enough to really attract users, AmigaOS additionally has problems because of the expensive hardware. Future regarding classic does not mean mainstream but existing as a niche that is big enough for indy developers and enthusiasts to support it and perhaps regain some users. That is best option, alternative the platform slowly dies together with its last users.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
hotrod 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 16:58:41
#17 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 11-Mar-2003
Posts: 2993
From: Stockholm, Sweden

@wawa

I think that all ships are sinking and if we want to have anything related to the Amiga brand left we should join forces and forget about the past.

The brand is dying, that's what's happening. The heart is in the Amiga deep down inside and the question is if you're rather without the Amiga than with what's left of it.

For me AOS 4 is the way forward but opinions differ. I don't mind the alternatives but if I have to choose I'll choose AOS 4. It got most of the Amiga-spirit intact and it's driven by Amiga-enthusiasts.

I think that it'll soon be over if we can't overcome the differences. AROS might live on for a while as an open-source alternative and so might MOS/AOS 4 do should they become open source but there aren't enough people around who wants to develope it further. It'll be like with Firefox, lots of people wanted and tried but that was it.

If this fail it will eventually be bye-bye for the Amiga and it will just be a memory. That might happen anyway but why not fight for what we truly love? It isn't fighting that we love, it is the brand, what it has brought to us and the reason to why we still turn the Amigas on. I'm typing this in NetSurf right now, listening to some music and enjoying it.

I'm in a really bad shape and can't contribute with much. Just some thoughts and perhaps it's just dreams but it's the way that I see it. I said it a long time ago and it's still my opinion, there's no use fighting because we will lose it all.

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
number6 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 17:35:11
#18 ]
Elite Member
Joined: 25-Mar-2005
Posts: 11540
From: In the village

@AmigaBlitter

Since OS4.x development is split between Hyperion Entertainment C.V.B.A., A-Eon Technologies/Amigakit, please tell me who would be speaking on behalf of THAT group to make any deals with anyone else?

Surely you know from reading any links I've supplied from OS4welt.de that Costel (who is the only one remotely speaking on behalf of OS4.x development at this point) has expressed numerous issues regarding various other individuals/groups within the Amiverse.
Frankly the honesty is refreshing, but I don't currently see it leading to any agreement on the path of development or the ability either.

#6

_________________
This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author.
*Secrecy has served us so well*

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
g_kraszewski 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 18:17:58
#19 ]
Regular Member
Joined: 3-Sep-2010
Posts: 343
From: Unknown

@OlafS25

+1

_________________
RastPort

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Amigo1 
Re: It's time to join the forces - Part IV
Posted on 19-Jan-2018 20:10:54
#20 ]
Super Member
Joined: 24-Jun-2004
Posts: 1582
From: the Clouds

@wawa

Quote:

wawa wrote:
no. not in my view. im fine to call it aros, whether it runs on pc, amiga or whatever else.


since when does aros run on amiga?

 Status: Offline
Profile     Report this post  
Goto page ( 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 Next Page )

[ home ][ about us ][ privacy ] [ forums ][ classifieds ] [ links ][ news archive ] [ link to us ][ user account ]
Copyright (C) 2000 - 2019 Amigaworld.net.
Amigaworld.net was originally founded by David Doyle