***Can you buy them 'off the shelf',***

Companies that make computer products certainly can. The X1000 has a PA6T, can't get those 'off-the-shelf', Mac used the POWER4, Raptor was going to use the POWER8 on their Talos I and now the POWER9 on the Talos II. Do a search and you will find many companies making POWER servers.

*** and are they expensive? ***
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Cost can NOT be a determining factor in the beginning of the discussions.

Certainly cost is a factor, but what is being charged for a PeeCee with a ppc on it? Them old Macs were not low cost and of course their was the MacTax.

*** The architecture itself is certainly more than adequate.***

Shall we put you down for two?

Keep in mind, we are the community. If enough of the payers are as disgusted with what is and refuse to purchase whatever is punched out and served on a velvet cloth then change will occur. Which is why the hardware must be open and involve community input. The goal is an AMIGA!

Anybody else?

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The Tabor is likely the end of the road for A-EON unless they sell substantially more units than the X5000. 5,000 - 10,000 would be what they should be shooting for. My guess is 2,500 is more realistic.

Who cares about the future if the present is uncertain?

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@Signal

I think cost should be an initial consideration, or else you'll end up with another niche product like the X5000.

Warning: I'm trying to post using w3m; this may not go well.

Update: It went well.

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Come on guys. This sounds more and more like a dream, fantasy than anything realistic.

To develop both the OS and with special hardware would so expensive that even with a big team it would probably never see the light of day.

AROS tried to be a good alternative OS for Raspberry PI and was for sure a good idea.

The problem was lack of developers. Not that much work left I think to make that happen.

If that became a reality there could be a whole new bunch of developers, users interested in the OS and develop it further. I think with reasearch from maybe schools and as an open platform it is possible to overcome many of our OS limitations. It would just be an alternative way to do things. It is not that we have to do everything as other more mothern Operative systems. What we talked about here with the lack of memory protection and also security I think there might be a way around it.
It almost always is if there are lot's of reasearch and smart people gathering around the problem.

One way to get around the MP, security problem is to run the OS as hosted on other system like Linux. That is for sure already possible but would need some love so 3D hardware etc. could be used within AROS hosted.

If in the distant future AROS could be accepted as a real alternative maybe some of the dreams about special hardware etc. etc. could be met but for now just impossible.

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I guess you guys are correct.

Small and cheap is the only way to go.


Good luck and have fun with that.

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AROS tried to be a good alternative OS for Raspberry PI and was for sure a good idea. The problem was lack of developers. Not that much work left I think to make that happen.

What happened to the RPi3 AROS code, do you know? Has it been checked in to a repository, or is it on someone's hard drive?

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@bison

At least most of it must have been checked in. Perhaps some work in progress may have been kept back till its worth to commit.

@bison

Sorry. No idea.

Some time ago there was projects like Anubis to use AROS on top of Linux. A way to be compatible with All Linux drivers etc. Great idea but abandoned. I think it would be the most easy and effective way for Amiga like OS right now. Something to build on.

@nikosidis

I don't think folks get too excited about building other OSes on top of Linux (as a low level host). I have seen a number a such projects go belly up due to the lack of interest.

I mean don't get me wrong, I think Amiga OS with QNX under-the-hood would have been hot, much like Mac OS with BSD under-the-hood turned out to be a good thing

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How can things get much worse. Be realistic and do something doable at least as a start. I see no other way unless we win the lottery ;)

PPC been dead long time no matter how some like to see it. The Amiga or amigalike OS is getting more and more outdated. Other OS been stealing from us for a long time why not do the same to get back on track.

@nikosidis

you don't need a OS on micro chips

https://micropython.org/

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@nikosidis

AROS lacks the affinity of the Amiga brand and with the 3 offshoots of AROS just adds confusion to the already crowded Amiga OS landscape.

It'd be great to see collaborative developments amongst the AOS, MOS, and AROS teams fostering cross-platform development that spans CPUs, APIs, etc...

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The only guarantee that software will work cross-Amiga regardless of architecture is hosted Aros running on each of them. We don't have the manpower for that right now.

Otherwise we could just start contributing plug-ins for Hollywood since Andreas Falkenhahn has done a lot already.

Seriously guys, just give it up already.

There's no pot of gold at the end of any mythical rainbow.

All we're doing is enjoying a more or less antiquated notion of computing. We're desperately trying to catch up with a form of computer use that all the real players are seperating/evolving themselves from.
There's simply nothing to attract developers to, unless those developers like alternative computing, and that being the case they're probably in the ecosystem already.

Not to say it's not worthwhile. It's a fun way to spend time.
Rather than spending days, weeks, months, heck years on end searching for the Yeti you might get more enjoyment, or better still, might end up being useful, if a person spends their time enjoying what we do have and/or creating something of your own.

Granted, this an entirely reasonable idea, so it probably has no place here

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Mesa on Aros is backported from Linux, as are all of the 3D drivers it uses. Open source drivers show up first there.

I understood perfectly what you mean, just that it has nonsense at all: mesa on aros has no bottleneck because it is backported from linux, and anyway it is thousands of miles faster than the poor 3D implementation that os4 or morphos offer. Aros is the most advanced and up-to-date Amiga OS these days, by far.

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@Samurai_Crow

I can imagine AROS being like some sort of WINE like layer for AOS and MOS providing the ability to run applications using AROS as a minimal host.

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That won't be efficient way to run programs, beside I don't need another desktop on my workbench desktop.

I'm pretty sick of UAE already, keyboard mapping, waste of CPU power, and all that.
More of the 680x0 programs need to ported over or replicated.

I be lot more interested in running MacOSX PowerPC or MacOS9 PPC virtualized.

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there aint any wholesale solution to the issue in subject here. if you feel like it, engage in a number of projects following a common sense approach, such as dopus magellan one. eventually with enough engagement the community can force something through, but only if you put some effort behind it, not just share your fancy views on forums.

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@wawa

Good point. DOpus 5 project was good for all camps. People can choose whatever hardware and Amiga or amigalike OS the like to run it. More projects like that are welcome.

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wawa wrote: engage in a number of projects following a common sense approach, such as dopus magellan one. eventually with enough engagement the community can force something through

And I say.
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put some effort behind it, not just share your fancy views on forums.

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