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g01df1sh 
Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 11:43:19
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Hi All

Why not port OS4 to this price is not far of X5000 price but specs are lots better.

https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2B01/intro.html

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 12:25:00
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That is a very powerfull system.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 12:52:28
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@g01df1sh

the base system is 2475$

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 13:27:42
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@g01df1sh

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g01df1sh wrote:
Hi All

Why not port OS4 to this price is not far of X5000 price but specs are lots better.

https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2B01/intro.html

Raptor is planning to release a single CPU board later this year at a much lower cost.
I guess it will have options for up to 22-24 cores (?).

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 14:29:01
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@g01df1sh

i'd love to see AOS4 move to POWER kit, even considering the cost. that said, i have zero confidence in the ability of hyperion/A-EON/whomever to deliver that port in any sort of a timely fashion. AOS4 development is effectively dead with the exception of drivers for AMD video cards. everything else has ground to a halt.

this will never happen. more's the pity.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 16:24:41
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@g01df1sh

Where's SATA, WiFi and it's got VGA? I expect DVI and HDMI these days. So retro. And no mention of AltiVec?

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 17:35:34
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@eliyahu

Quote:

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@g01df1sh

i'd love to see AOS4 move to POWER kit, even considering the cost. that said, i have zero confidence in the ability of hyperion/A-EON/whomever to deliver that port in any sort of a timely fashion. AOS4 development is effectively dead with the exception of drivers for AMD video cards. everything else has ground to a halt.

this will never happen. more's the pity.

-- eliyahu

? What are you going to do?

This is something that would not take a large initial investment for neither AOS or MOS. That investment would be made by the users.

Since Raptor is favoring AMD cards, and from the looks of it on their wiki, most cards that are used by our OS's work, then at least that hurdle should be lower. Im sure once more people get their grubby little tinkering hands on these things even more things will popup working.

Well,,, I would pay a good price for a working Amiga-like OS on one of these. Their decision.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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@Hypex

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@g01df1sh

Where's SATA, WiFi and it's got VGA? I expect DVI and HDMI these days. So retro. And no mention of AltiVec?


One of the best silly posts ever.

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OlafS25 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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@Signal

the base price is 2475$

have you read this?

How many do you think would still buy it? Driver development and adaptions are expensive too and have to be covered by the few buyers.

In my view it would have been better to take something like that (or a cheaper one) instead of creating custom boards but A-eon has decided different.

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bison 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 18:20:38
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@OlafS25

Not only is it expensive, but AmigaOS can't come close to utilizing the capabilities of this board, which makes it an even bigger waste.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 18:59:02
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@g01df1sh

Who knows?


I agree, btw!

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 19:10:15
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@OlafS25

Certainly poor people should not buy it.

I'm 73 and as soon as I finish painting my neighbors house I'll have more than enough to purchase one.

You want one? Quit whineing, get off your lazy arse and work for one. Just because you want everything on-the-cheap does not mean that everyone expects free everything just because they were born.

@bison
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Amigo1 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 21:55:00
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@OlafS25

I would buy one.
Not that much more expensive than an AmigaOne X1000.

I imagine there would not be any sound stutter on a unoptimised JIT-less-e-uae with this... ;)

..and it has a built-in 9-pin joystick port for my Classic Competition Pro!

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Templario 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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@g01df1sh
Other extensiva board.

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Zylesea 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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@Signal

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Signal wrote:
@OlafS25

Certainly poor people should not buy it.

I'm 73 and as soon as I finish painting my neighbors house I'll have more than enough to purchase one.


It's not the ammount of money. It's the price/performance ratio. Hardwarewise ihe price/performance ratio of the Raptor is not too bad, but a theoretical OS4 port wouldn't utilize all the power and hence it would be a waste of power and eventually a waste of money.
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You want one?

Not that urgently.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 25-Apr-2018 23:39:23
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@Zylesea

Perhaps MorphOS could be a candidate for such a machine. It does run on Mac G5, which has a
processor close to the POWER4. Of course Apple had to screw with it.

Too early to tell.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 0:00:42
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I'm not advocating this Raptor computer for any OS. Where AOS, MOS or AROS go
is not in my power to say. It never has been. It's been decided by a few people
ever since the jump to PowerPC. The A1SE/XE were a necessary step to get AOS on
that ISA, but it should never have been the blueprint for all future designs.

This computer looks to me as a possible path to a future, but again.....to me.
A platform for all three OS's to develop and grow on without having a low number
of units out there.

I'm just too old to put up with constant arguments and waiting (so far) six
years for one item that should have been supplied when the X series went on sale.

P.S. I just ordered a RPI3 B+. Why? Computing is my HOBBY, not my frustration.

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OlafS25 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 10:08:01
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@Amigo1

you would not get it for that price, the few buyers have to cover the development costs for the OS, expecially the drivers, so it would cost much more certainly

You would still buy it?

As I wrote it would have made more sense not to do "custom hardware" but take something already available but Trevor D. and A-eon decided differently

Today they will not do anything new

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paolone 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 10:09:22
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@Signal

Quote:

Signal wrote:
@OlafS25

Certainly poor people should not buy it.

I'm 73 and as soon as I finish painting my neighbors house I'll have more than enough to purchase one.

You want one? Quit whineing, get off your lazy arse and work for one. Just because you want everything on-the-cheap does not mean that everyone expects free everything just because they were born.


I admit I had a good laugh at it

You're surely right, however I guess Olaf meant there is no chance common people will buy this thing, no matter if they can afford it or not

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OlafS25 
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@Signal

and no I do not want any myself

and I do not "whine"

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