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nikosidis 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 10:42:38
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For a OS that is quite lacking it very difficult to demand a very high price.
Run AmigaOS on something real cheap and you have a market cause many will buy it just
for the fun of it.
Most people have work and have bills to pay. Would I spend my hard worked extra cash on expensive PPC hardware?
I might if it was a very advanced computer with lot's of attractive apps and games.
The case here is quite the opposite.


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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 13:55:09
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You're surely right, however I guess Olaf meant there is no chance common people will buy this thing, no matter if they can afford it or not


And, I, surely, can afford one, so the question becomes "would I?" And the answer is, not only no, but "hell, no!" Too much bucks for too little bang. The Amiga is mostly a fond memory for me anymore. I'd happily invest in it for a reasonable price, but that does not qualify as such. :)

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 14:05:30
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AOS4 development is effectively dead ...


Yeah, guess so. Moreover ... we don't even see much drama anymore.
Luckily we can rely on American Politics for good drama !

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 16:33:57
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EDanaII wrote:

And, I, surely, can afford one, so the question becomes "would I?" And the answer is, not only no, but "hell, no!" Too much bucks for too little bang. The Amiga is mostly a fond memory for me anymore. I'd happily invest in it for a reasonable price, but that does not qualify as such. :)

This beast is not being built for any Amiga-ish anything. I agree the OS should run on low cost hardware.

Do you, or anyone else have something against it on high end hardware?


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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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Do you, or anyone else have something against it on high end hardware?


Of course not, but I would take issue with marketing such a device ... for OS4 etc ... if OS4 cannot take full advantage of it ... multiple cores etc. We've been there before.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 19:19:34
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Not to mention that on single CPU setup only two topmost PCI-e slots are active on single CPU setup and using 16x slot for GPU blocks the other one. IF you can find a GFX card which fits there since DIMM slots are nicely put near topmost PCI-e 16x. To get 3 bottom PCI-e slots work you got to get another CPU.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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Why not port OS4 to this ...


Ask Hyperion ...

1st Step:
Collect money and buy one that could be send to Hyperion.

2nd Step:
Collect money to pay for a port from AOS4

3rd Step:
Ask Raport for a new batch of hardware because porting took too long.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 26-Apr-2018 21:51:11
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Step 4 wait a life time for network drivers lol

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Troels 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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Do you, or anyone else have something against it on high end hardware?

Actually I do.

Could a lowbudget OS4 capable computer not be build at the same time as X1000 and 5000? Well the HW could by different companies but OS4 development seems so slooooow that supporting too many platforms seems not to be realistic.

OS4 from the start needed users and while the A1-XEG3/4 had a pretty decent price performance ratio it was still a little too expensive for many who'd like to go the OS4 route.
I think the later OS4 capable computers have had a worse ratio unfortunately.

We needed a Tabor like project from the start to let many users come aboard but that was apparently not possible at that time.
We needed a cheap solution with a little more power than the G4 instead of the X1000, that didn't happen either.

If Hyperion could handle multiple tasks, then the more HW the merrier but it does not seem like it and in that case I prefer the HW I believe will sell most units.
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Actually I wished Aeon and Hyperion had ditched PPC before doing the X1000.

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simplex 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
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@jorit2

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Luckily we can rely on American Politics for good drama !

And if we start boring you, the Italians are giving us a run for our money. They're apparently bored with our version of ol' Silvio and have turned back to the real thing, with a TV series dramatization to boot.

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agami 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 4:30:38
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Because Raptor Computing Systems will have ceased producing the board by the time AmigaOS is ported to even just use a single thread of a single core.

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remotenemesis 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 4:44:38
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RISC-V might offer some opportunities in the future.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 8:31:29
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1st Step: Collect money and buy one that could be send to Hyperion.


Maybe this is not necessary

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OlafS25 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 8:32:57
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@jorit2

high-end hardware makes sense if you have use cases that justify the money

and of course the hardware would need to be fully supported

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 10:18:07
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@Troels

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We needed a Tabor like project from the start to let many users come aboard but that was apparently not possible at that time. We needed a cheap solution with a little more power than the G4 instead of the X1000, that didn't happen either. If Hyperion could handle multiple tasks, then the more HW the merrier but it does not seem like it and in that case I prefer the HW I believe will sell most units.


Yes what the "NG" Amiga needs most is more users, not more powerful hardware. More users would allow Hyperion to spend more money on development, AMIStore would make more sense, and more freeware/shareware/hobbyist developers would be attracted to the scene (all developers aren't automatically rich enough to afford the X5000).

Also, before AmigaOS4 gets ported to more powerful hardware, they should make it utilize the actual hardware that's currently available. Tabor is only utilized up to 50% because one of two core always sits idle.

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 12:48:59
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The question was 'Why not?'.

Of course the decision is up to Hyperion.

The Tabor, can fill the lower cost and portable realm and something like the Talos II could be available for the power hungry especially if their plans for a single processor desktop system come to fruition later this year.

A-eon/Amigakit could concentrate on third party software and add in cards to enhance the Amiga experience.

My answer to the asked question is 'Why not!'

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Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 27-Apr-2018 14:10:22
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This is an interesting board, but AmigaOS is the last thing you'd like to run on it since it would not make full use of the board's potential.

But I see something like this as a possible revenue for A-eon, selling PPC boards to not just AmigaOS/MorphOS market. They would have to improve price/performance ratio, though, since this blows both X1000/X5000 out of the water.

Here we can see the effects of bad decisions made +15 years ago, when it was decided to make a OS3.1 compatible AmigaNG OS. Now you cannot use modern HW to it's full potential.

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ne_one 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 28-Apr-2018 3:42:44
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Here we can see the effects of bad decisions made +15 years ago, when it was decided to make a OS3.1 compatible AmigaNG OS. Now you cannot use modern HW to it's full potential.


While the choice of platform may have been dubious, by far the most painful decision was giving an ill-equipped benefactor the authority to make those decisions.

The answer to the OP should be obvious.

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toRus 
Re: Why not port OS4 to this
Posted on 28-Apr-2018 14:35:40
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I can't (or am not supposed to) afford it but I would still buy it IF AmigaOS is supported AND it meant that it is part of a bigger plan that upgrades Amiga from the "just-for-retro" current status Not that I wouldn't make use of the 2x22=44 -core beast for just Linux.

I am (un)fortunate to consider computers as both work and hobby and I have over 80 x86 cores I do NOT enjoy using. In fact most of them are just sitting around because I am too lazy to get rid of them. I will be more than happy to just sell them at 1/4 the cost; maybe just keep one CPU for a hackintosh and that's it.

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