@cgutjahr

As a matter of fact, nobody ever asked me that.

If they would, they would get a very polite reply saying that Hyperion has no intention of supporting MorphOS.

I doubt I would have the time to launch into a big speech about it.

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@cgutjahr

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I wouldn't want to see the kind of reply MorphOS users recieve when asking you privately for a MOS version of Real3D

When people ask me for a MOS version of Real3D, I reply "Sorry, we don't plan to produce MorphOS versions of our software because we have no license for that, only for AmigaOS". I would certainly not try to tell people that blue camp software producers are idiots., and produce broken hardware, and are responsible for a split if not the destruction of the Amiga market.

That's a fine but notciable difference, don't you think?

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@the Hyperion team,

Guys, whatever you say about this, unless somebody did ask you (before this thread was made) certain people would just call you liars for what you are saying now. If you understand what I mean.

You shouldn't need to defend yourself, but I don't think you should open yourselfes (??SP??) for attacks.. IMHO, I think by responding to this you allowed just that..

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@Neko

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So the question is.. why isn't anyone doing it?

If I remember correctly, the statement that was questions was "there is only AmigaOS 4 for AmigaOne, no Linux". The question whether it's up-to-date is pretty irrelevant. Since there actually is a Linux for the AmigaOne, this means that the original statement ("No Linux for AmigaOne") is wrong.

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@Seer

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Guys, whatever you say about this, unless somebody did ask you (before this thread was made) certain people would just call you liars for what you are saying now. If you understand what I mean.

Not really.

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You shouldn't need to defend yourself, but I don't think you should open yourselfes (??SP??) for attacks.. IMHO, I think by responding to this you allowed just that

So be it. I am personally offended by all this crap, I currently have a hard time (one of our family is seriously ill), and this has shown me that there are more important things in life. If somebody wants to piss on me, he should be prepared for me kicking his ass. It's as simple as that. I'm really extremely sick of all this ####. People call me a liar, but in reality they are just furthering their agenda at my expense. I'm not going to take that anymore.

I found this mail by Michael extremely offending. That it came out here is of course not good and should have been avoided. But honestly, I don't care what people think of my reaction on this. I just won't take all the BS anymore.

Well, OK, I'll take some steps now.

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@EntilZha

I didn't mean to offend you or your brother;

If you understand what I mean.
Not really.

Well, the question was; how do you think Hyperion would have responded to an email asking about an MOS version of Real3D. You all responded you would have answered politely, and I'm not arguing you wouldn't (reading aw.net proofes you would be polite I think). But because nobody ever asked you to port someting to MOS anybody could say "liars" you would respond just as bad.

So be it. I am personally offended by all this crap, I currently have a hard time (one of our family is seriously ill), and this has shown me that there are more important things in life.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he/she will get better soon.

But that's the problem as well. You and your brother and co workers have better thins to do then to respond to threads like this. It's just not worth it. It won't get you anywere, you may even feel worse.

Really, do you think any blue sider really is going to believe anything you say ??

All I'm saying is, you don't have to defend yourself from this. You know you're doing a great job, most people here will say that as well. Why should you even care what somebody thinks who isn't going to buy your work anyway regardless of what it is.

Take care of your ill relative. That's the most important thing there is.

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@Samwel

I'd personally be very interested in a .doc compatible word processor for my OS4, native or emulated. If it worked okay, I could live with emulation, there are more CPU-hungry apps out there than a word-processor that I'd rather see made native. (IFX, hint, hint. )

About the statistics, maybe he's right, maybe it's just guesswork, I haven't seen any official numbers released from any "camp," so I couldn't tell.

And if it were me, I'd be a bit hesitant to publish a private e-mail conversation like that, it doesn't ring right to me.

But I must conclude by saying that the statement could have been a bit more professional, regardless of how one feels about the A1/OS4.


Btw, it's a good thing I've got a registered MakeCD, if Burnit eats ~50% of an 800Mhz G4...

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@EntilZha

Your caps-lock key seems to be broken. And: Is there really a need to repost this again and again?

Can someone please moderate his postings? My kids are reading this and I don't want them to think it is cool to swear.

Thanks in advance.

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I didn't mean to offend you or your brother;

I wasn't offended.

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Well, the question was; how do you think Hyperion would have responded to an email asking about an MOS version of Real3D

Well, of course, I would answer like a ravengin lunatic: No, we won't support this crap called MOS which works on crap hardware and is made by people who are evil and have killed off the Amiga markert.

No, wait, of course, I would answer differently. FIY, I've been asked for MOS versions of almost all programs we ever did. I always answered with a nice variety of "We only have a license for AmigaOS, nothing else".

In fact, if you look through the fora, mailing list etc, you will notice that I have never ever commented on the merrits of MorphOS. NEVER. Because I don't have a clue about it. I've never seen in in "real life", I was never interested in it. It's a decency from me that is not reflected by the likes of Mr Garlich as he clearly showed in this mail.

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Really, do you think any blue sider really is going to believe anything you say ??

I never lied to the Amiga public. Never. Therefore, I expect that people believe what I say. If they think I'm lying, I welcome them to prove me wrong,
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Really, I had enough of this ####. As I now said multiple times in this thread (if it's not moderated away ):

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Take care of your ill relative. That's the most important thing there is.

Thanks. Yes, it's the most important thing.

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I think this thread should be deleted and locked away IMHO
/me stops typeing in forums and hides away before he gets flamed

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Your caps-lock key seems to be broken.

No, it's working perfectly..

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And: Is there really a need to repost this again and again?

Yes. Those where answers to the lunatic ravings here, but I edited the post away and replaced it with my feelings for this BS.

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My kids are reading this and I don't want them to think it is cool to swear.

Oh come on, spare me this nonsense.

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@mjohnson

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I'd personally be very interested in a .doc compatible word processor for my OS4, native or emulated.

Apparently MS-Office lacks one important feature, and that is the possibility to save files as xml.
So screw .doc, use xml, MS-office can read xml, and xml is supported by both Star-Office and open-Office.


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Btw, it's a good thing I've got a registered MakeCD, if Burnit eats ~50% of an 800Mhz G4

Burnit hungry, Burnit needs cpu-cycles, feed Burnit

@thread

I didn't notice any cpu-load increase while I run YDL with Bill's kernel, with dma-enabled.

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And: Is there really a need to repost this again and again?

Try reading in threaded mode...

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@EntilZha

I wasn't offended.

Ok.

However, this is also something that some of the more vocal blue trolls never do.

Yes, that's why I believe you shouldn't respond to this. Unless you want to defend yourself again in the future when everything you say here is taken out of context and used against you.

If they don't believe me, they can kiss my colossal ass.

Shall I ask Eva to come along ??? Nah, you don't really mean that...

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@Rogue

Perhaps we should expand it to "no Linux support", and my comments are valid. It's plain that Linux does run, for wild variations of the word "run". However comments here by you and your brother and other Hyperion team members have enlightened everybody that the Linux kernel doesn't do memory mapping the way the Articia wants - so is there some effort to make the Linux kernel use page tables instead of BATs in order to run on such esoteric (and seemingly quite rare) platforms?

Why isn't Linux being supported for the AmigaOne except for that old 2.4.x kernel and some really quite ageing RPM distributions? When Mai ships the Teron ITX, will they be releasing a Linux kernel with the support as outlined above, or the same kernel everyone currently uses for the AmigaOne? You know their "smart terminal" plan really does call for Linux in most markets, doesn't it?

As for whether Michael Garlich had to go into a big speech about it, maybe he didn't - but of course when a user sends him a mail which *IS* a big speech about how he should be reconsidering an OS4 port, I think his reply was as deserving as the original mail.

While Amiga, Eyetech, Hyperion, KMOS or whoever supports the general developer community is not reassuring (with technical backup) all of the qualms and quandries people have about AmigaOS 4 and the AmigaOne platform, you can't exactly expect those developers to be entirely pleased when 1001 rabid slathering Amigafans turn up in your Inbox each day criticising your business decisions.

You don't like it when rabid slathering MorphOS fans mail you about an AmigaOS 4 port for Pegasos, do you? If someone came and lectured YOU on it in a mail, wouldn't you at least feel motivated to produce a more verbose reply than "no"?

Regardless of all that blabbing above, why isn't there an effort to bring AmigaOne (or Teron) Linux support up to the level of contemporary solutions? I didn't see an answer for that.

Neko

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However comments here by you and your brother and other Hyperion team members have enlightened everybody that the Linux kernel doesn't do memory mapping the way the Articia wants

I don't think that I ever commented on the Linux kernel in conjunction with DMA or the Articia.

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You don't like it when rabid slathering MorphOS fans mail you about an AmigaOS 4 port for Pegasos, do you? If someone came and lectured YOU on it in a mail, wouldn't you at least feel motivated to produce a more verbose reply than "no"?

You know the saying about the glass houses ? Good.

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