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Announcement   Announcement : Total Amiga Magazine issue 17: Bring it on!
   posted by Mikey_C on 19-Feb-2004 12:27:36 (2581 reads)
The latest issue of Total Amiga Magazine has hit the printers and will be coming to a letterbox near you very soon.



This time we go for the big one! we preview OS4 pre-release and ask, does it live up to it's reputation?.
AOS4 on tour, As the release date fast approaches, We bring you several show reports and news.
Strapped for Cash? Can't afford a Tower? then find out how an Amiga user made himself an Amiga Tower - out of wood!
Plus our second parts on Mac Emulation, C programing, and Image enhancement.

Make no mistake Issue 17 of Total Amiga Magazine is bursting at the seams with articles, columnists, news, reviews, features and tutorials, making it the most essential purchase of 2004!

Don't miss out, visit our website http://www.totalamiga.org for more info!

Total Amiga Magazine, cos anything else just isn't!
    

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samface 
Re: Bring it on!
Posted on 19-Feb-2004 12:38:19
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That's it! I'm buying a subscription. It's been years since I subscribed to any Amiga magazine, the last beeing the discontinued swedish magazine "Amiga.info". Thank you for still beeing around, Total Amiga!

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That's it! I'm buying a subscription.


You won't regret it

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Chris_Y 
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How can you review the pre-release when it's not out yet?

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No but you can pre-view the pre-release, and as we know it's been at the beta testers I imagine thats how they previewed it.

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Except it says review, which suggests it is the finished product.

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rhino 
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Hi,

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How can you review the pre-release when it's not out yet?


You're quite right, that should read preview and indeed that's what we've called it in the magazine and on the website. The preview was written by Mick "sicky" Sutton who, as regular readers of this site will know, has had development versions of OS 4 on his AOne for some time now.

Robert

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Toaks 
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Posted on 19-Feb-2004 14:15:27
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damn it!!!!!!!!!! it wasnt in my mailbox today

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it better be good as i stand between an 1.upgrade of the subscription or 2. stop reading it



i am sure it will be number 1


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rhino 
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damn it!!!!!!!!!! it wasnt in my mailbox today


:)

You've got a bit longer to wait I'm afraid, it went to the printers today and we're expecting the copies back on the 5th of March.

Good things come to those who wait and all that :)

Robert

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soft 
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I bought Issue 15 of total Amiga, and didn't like it at all. The content was mediocre at best, consisting mostly of things one can find out from the internet, hashed together with the authors opinions which try vainly to sound intelligent and/or surprising.

I think it is impossible to sustain a quality Amiga magazine in the current Amiga scene, even if you only release it every four months. There just isn't enough going on to write about. That's why every other Amiga magazine has died; there was nothing to write about without resorting to making things up and concentrating on boring details for longer than normal to give the illusion that something interesting is being reported. Speaking of making stuff up, that Jim Collas 'joke' was terrible.

I recognise the sentiment behind this magazine and why it is being produced, but I still think it is an embarressment. It doesn't help to keep the Amiga alive in any way whatsoever. It's like giving a news report on a deserted city where nobody lives. To keep reporting on that city won't return life within its walls or restore its buildings. All it does is draw attention to the fact that nothing really goes on in there. Until the Amiga scene is at least as bustling as it was in 98 (i.e. not very), a printed Amiga magazine is a waste of paper. I think the authors of Total Amiga should centre their efforts on something that will help revive the Amiga and wait until the scene is ready to support another printed magazine before trying to churn one out. I think no Amiga magazine is better than a poor one due to lack of interesting news.

And yes, I know some of you will remind me that OS4 is coming out and that counts as interesting news. But tell me, once you've ran out and bought it, and grown comfortable and used to it, and the initial excitement has died down, what exactly is there to write about? The release of OS4 is still only one thing happening, even if it is a significant one.

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alx 
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consisting mostly of things one can find out from the internet


The same could be said of virtually any magazine. I'm not sure myself why a magazine seems so much better; maybe it's as all the important things are in one neat package, with no surrounding forums etc to get in the way?

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I still think it is an embarressment


To who? It's only aimed at Amigans ("For Amigans, By Amigans, On Amigas"), but even then when I showed a copy to someone who'd left the Amiga scene years ago, his response was "Wow - so there is a bit of life left; I'd thought it had died long ago.".

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I think the authors of Total Amiga should centre their efforts on something that will help revive the Amiga and wait until the scene is ready to support another printed magazine before trying to churn one out.


Like what? AFAIK not all the team can develop.

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But tell me, once you've ran out and bought it, and grown comfortable and used to it, and the initial excitement has died down, what exactly is there to write about?


At the latest count, 30 OS4 native applications are on my list, and that's without the official developer CD being released yet. All those have to be reviewed sometime, you realise

A magazine doesn't harm the platform in any way that I can think of, so if they're happy to produce it and enough people are happy to read it then IMO there can only be positive aspects to it.

I also think that they're doing an excellent job at "keeping the flame alight" for an Amiga mag. Imagine if, in a couple of year's time, TA is bi-monthly and Amiga Format is about the be produced again - TA keeps us in the habit of buying mags, and provides a nice link back to the "golden years"

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Anonymous 
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You could say that about any magazine.

Google -> replaces all magazines.

Or you could have sent that little rant to the editor by email rather than humiliate the TAM team in such a public fashion.

Vote with your feet, you don't like it? Then don't buy it. Frankly I think rants like the above are more of the reason why the Amiga scene is so "embarrassing" at the moment.

Plus, I don't see why people should have to do something just because you would prefer something else. The people who write and contribute to this magazine do so because they enjoy it, its constructive and its readership in the main appreciates it.

But of course, you want X/Y/Z so lets berate people until they do what they want to do and start doing what YOU want them to do.

Dave.

 
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Toaks 
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soft: jesus is this a ritual for you?

first of all TAM doesnt take all their stuff from inet and secondly readin something on paper is a lot better than reading it off the screen , also it is a magazine and its not supposed to be brand new NEWS or groundbreaking, or would you call any magazines that?

What about the TALES OF TAMAR ongoing review? (over several pages and in several mags)

What About the programming help in each mag? , please point me to a direct link where theese are.

it's a cheap magazine and its made by a user group and most of all they doesnt take money from your pockets.


anyway you must be the first person to jump out and put it like this, anyway as always there has to be one!.

anyway i guess u will be one of the first to read the next mag in PDF format when they announce that it will appear on their site for free (like all their older issues)...

anyway its a mag, just like anything you are allowed to say what you think but screamining it in a forum/news thread and mocking the guys behind it is NOT a good thing.

oh and btw there is alot of people who ask questions all day long on amiga.org and here on AW , most of theese questions (about hacks and so on) has been answered in TAM ages ago.)



BAH!

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soft 
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@DaveP:

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Or you could have sent that little rant to the editor by email rather than humiliate the TAM team in such a public fashion.


If they are humiliated by my post then it would only suggest that my post has more merit than I'd anticipated. I doubt that's the case, however. If they stand up for what they believe, then they won't be affected, let alone humiliated by my words. To suggest that they would be humiliated by my post is actually degrading to them because it suggests that they have no conviction. It's not as if they don't have any supporters. Look at all the posts preceeding mine. Not one of them is negative. I don't see you telling them to keep their opinions to themselves. If you wish to disagree with me, I welcome that - I'm all for freedom of speech - but to give me flack for stating an opinion is inequitable and makes you a hypocrite.

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Then don't buy it.


I'm already exercising my right not to buy it. But thanks for warning me.

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Frankly I think rants like the above are more of the reason why the Amiga scene is so "embarrassing" at the moment.


Why would you be embarrassed by somebody expressing their opinion? If this is what bothers you so much, you'd better isolate yourself in an empty room right now, because there's a lot of people out there that have opinions contrary to your own. You could start by not participating in a public forum. Oh wait, was that an unfair request? Funny that, it sounds just like what you said to me in your first sentence.
And by the way, calling it a 'rant' only implies that I feel strongly about what I said. I don't know where you got the impression of these emotional undertones, but I certainly did not feel strongly about my aformentioned opinions. If you think of it as a rant then you must be an alien, because no human being agrees with everybody.

@Alx:

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The same could be said of virtually any magazine. I'm not sure myself why a magazine seems so much better; maybe it's as all the important things are in one neat package, with no surrounding forums etc to get in the way?


I don't think magazines are necessarilly better. I prefer them for the comfort factor. I'm not the sort of person who indulges in curling up in bed with a laptop. But it's not just the printed page that gives an advantage. Most internet 'magazines' content consists largely of material from its readers. Case in point: this news thread. Because of this, the quality varies hugely, from trolling to inspirational literature such as mine (just joking). However, with a magazine, a handful of usually very talented people are entirely responsible for what appears in the magazine, and therefore they can exert quite a lot more control over what actually ends up in the magazine. This generally results in a lot more entertaining, funny and thoughtful material than what you get on average website, because they can filter out the crap. To Total Amiga's credit, they somewhat succeed in this respect, but the lack of real news and information (which I don't blame them for, but its still a real problem) means it lacks as a magazine.

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To who? It's only aimed at Amigans ("For Amigans, By Amigans, On Amigas"), but even then when I showed a copy to someone who'd left the Amiga scene years ago, his response was "Wow - so there is a bit of life left; I'd thought it had died long ago.".


I can't really comment on that, but I can say that I won't ever show my copy of Total Amiga to anybody because I believe it would only leave a bad impression. Just the size of it, and the fact that it's entirely printed on ink paper, would leave a bad impression as far as I'm concerned. But perhaps to someone who didn't think that the Amiga still existed it might be enough to impress them (shrug).

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Like what? AFAIK not all the team can develop.


At the very least, they could stop printing the magazine. I don't expect that they will do that, and I don't care if they don't, but I think it would help. I thought my Total Amiga was a waste of money and I don't think anyone else should have to waste their money on it. If anyone's feelings are hurt by me saying this then it probably won't be Total Amiga's.

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soft 
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first of all TAM doesnt take all their stuff from inet


No, I realise they have some unique content in there. But most of it seemed familiar to me.

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and secondly readin something on paper is a lot better than reading it off the screen


Agreed.

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also it is a magazine and its not supposed to be brand new NEWS or groundbreaking, or would you call any magazines that?


In the old days, magazine's such as Amiga Format had a fair bit of exclusive content. Don't you remember?

As to the rest of your post, I recognise that there is some things in the magazine that may be appreciated (I know it's not that they aren't making in effort, they are), I can see why some people might value it (I happen to know how to code already so that's no big deal). I still don't think it is a good magazine. I think the intentions of its creators are well founded, but ultimately, it can not be a good magazine because of the ailing scene it is based on. I don't relish this fact, it's just the way it is.

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anyway you must be the first person to jump out and put it like this, anyway as always there has to be one!.


I could have made a complimentary and supportive post towards the magazine, but I prefer to be true to myself. Which would you prefer?

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anyway its a mag, just like anything you are allowed to say what you think but screamining it in a forum/news thread and mocking the guys behind it is NOT a good thing.


I'm sorry but I find this abhorrent. I didn't 'scream'. I didn't 'mock'. Wake up. This can't be the first opinion you've heard that's different from your own.

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@soft

Do as you please, we are neither offended or bothered by your opinion.

We are just happy to do "our bit" by producing a magazine that is wanted by the readers we have in 21 countries!

Keep taking the pills

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soft 
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Keep taking the pills


Haha. No wait, I don't get it...

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Toaks 
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soft: ok , well now i atleast know what you meant by all of it, but i cant say i agree as i am one of many who looks forward to every new issue.

but i do agree on the point you made , the one about beeing true to yourself!

That said some has been less interesting whilst other have been very interesting to read.

Anyway but most of all why i got so interested in TAM in the first place was the fact that i had low expectations and especially since i knew they didnt want to make money out of it.

i always wanted a magazine comeback and TAM did this for me, i will continue to read the other mags out there but Tam is one of them i will keep close to me and the one i have big hopes for to enter the commerce industry when the time is right!.

cheers

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alx 
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At the very least, they could stop printing the magazine. I don't expect that they will do that, and I don't care if they don't, but I think it would help. I thought my Total Amiga was a waste of money and I don't think anyone else should have to waste their money on it.


I don't get it. TA is unknown outside obsessive Amigan circles, so it's hardly going to affect awareness of the platform adversely. As you've seen from this thread, most people who have bought it enjoy it - surely the satisfaction of the many > the unsatisfaction of the few

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In the old days, magazine's such as Amiga Format had a fair bit of exclusive content. Don't you remember?


Looking through my issue 16, there's exclusive content from Alan Redhouse. Exclusive content from Fleecy Moss. An exclusive ToT tutorial. An exclusive image enhancement tutorial. An exclusive C tutorial. Exclusive reviews. Etc...

I can imagine you being disapointed if you were expecting something like AF or CU - perhaps you had too high expectations? Sven called TA a "fanzine" in MicroMart a while ago, and if you read a copy with that in mind then you'll realise it's actually an understatement

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@Soft


We all have opinions, but I think you are insulting the people that produce TAM.

I am with the majority of people on this thread, I think that TAM is a great piece of amateur/community work and they should be supported instead of ridiculed, you sound as if you think you can do better? Then by all means contact the guys and send them something you think we'd all like to read about.

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At the very least, they could stop printing the magazine. I don't expect that they will do that, and I don't care if they don't, but I think it would help. I thought my Total Amiga was a waste of money and I don't think anyone else should have to waste their money on it. If anyone's feelings are hurt by me saying this then it probably won't be Total Amiga's.


Have an opinion but please express it with a bit of respect for other peoples feelings. The people that work on TAM do it in their spare time and no doubt some personal expense. Its easy to destroy something rather than put in a bit of work to help improve it.

There is still a place for paper mags in this net age, and I for one will do all I can to make sure TAM gets my support.

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I don't get it. TA is unknown outside obsessive Amigan circles, so it's hardly going to affect awareness of the platform adversely. As you've seen from this thread, most people who have bought it enjoy it - surely the satisfaction of the many > the unsatisfaction of the few


You may be right. I don't know who outside 'obsessive Amigan circles' is aware of the magazine, but I do think that if it comes across as a circle of obsessives from an outsiders point of view, maintaining that image will only serve to alienate potential newcomers to the community.

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I can imagine you being disapointed if you were expecting something like AF or CU - perhaps you had too high expectations?


Or maybe I'm not the fan I used to be. Either way, the issue I purchased was definitely not worth the money I spent on it.

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