I really like the style of fixing A1

count with me
A1 motherboard + CPU 800 Euro

onboard AC97 isnt working
FIX: get the cheap SB Live for 10 Euro, its good to say "Sounds better anyway"

onboard IDE isnt working in UDMA mode with Ethernet on
FIX: get the cheap SI680 IDE card for 20 Euro, its goot to say "It is faster anyway"
(or turn off DMA mode or Ethernet, its just on you)

so everybody should be happy, its so easy

short question: what about remove all these nonworking parts of A1 and sell it cheaper?
maybe nothing would left onboard...

a brand new SBLive! 5.1 digital costs more than 30 euros here... (and near 40 from my local desler)

@falcon
I've paid 20 euro for a SbLive (new). Anyway a Sb128 cost... nothing.

@Exie
THE NEW BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM! Earlybird offer was for developers and testers. Don't like ti, don't buy it.

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Don't like ti, don't buy it.

Of course I dont.

But do you think the non-Earlybird A1 XE will be different? (Except higher price due OS4 cost ????)

@Exie
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But do you think the non-Earlybird A1 XE will be different? (Except higher price due OS4 cost ????)

Yes.

@ExiE

its only the earlybird and developer boards with this problem

"VIA IDE DMA cannot run reliably as soon as ethernet is used. Fact""

It's true but... afaik there's a hardware patch for AmigaOne Rev1 boards...

BTW... someone has more information about this patch... and something more important... what will happen to microA1-C users?

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what will happen to microA1-C users?

Nothing. Their boards won't have this problem.

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@thread

Here's an interesting bit of information posted to ANN by Stéphane Guillard :

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the µA1 'C' alias MK3 (and further machines) has proper snoop signaling implemented. Additionnally, this machine also solves the VIA / Ethernet interaction (and all other A1 oddities, like wrong implementation of the AC97 link between the VIA and the Sigmatel audio codec).

He goes on to say that this means Linux drivers will work on these machines without needing DMA patches (the 'snoop' he refers to is what others call hardware cache coherency). It's looking like new A1 purchasers won't have anything to worry about.

For the rest of us, Eyetech really need to make some kind of statement clarifying what's going to happen. It's a little worrying that only the XE has been mentioned in relation to a hardware patch, not the SE or MicroA1 MK2.

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I don't think they need to do anything about the MicroA1 Mk2, since it was only shipped in tiny quantities to a few dealers and developers, not end users.

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Any explanation of HOW the ethernet card on a PCI slot can affect VIA DMA on the motherboard ?
How it can "touch" the "wiring" (or whatever) problem of the motherboard?

Is the VIA chip connected incorrectly to the ArticiaS?


Also how was this "We have been able to patch XE rev 1 boards to get working VIA DMA" done?


Details under NDA?

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>it's only the earlybird and developer boards with this problem.

So how do people know which is which? And if the board is fixed or not. As i understood it, some boards have a line or two soldered in place to correct the fault (where?). Is that all it takes for both earlybird and dev boards? How will people know which they have and what their options are?

As it is, Eyetech sold a board with onboard DMA, with a driver on the way. There is no excuse for them not to fix the boards. If the dealers wire them up or Eyetech does dosen't matter. Telling the user to add a new card is not a fix. Sending a board back to be fixed is a reasonable compromise even if it costs you a few bucks for shipping.

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Wow only a few rabid posts, we are doing well.

Hope your not refering to my post. (i cant make heads or tails of the 'threaded' listing :) )

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@Ivan

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Sending a board back to be fixed is a reasonable compromise even if it costs you a few bucks for shipping.

A few bucks would not fit for me. Sending it to Eyetech and then back will surely get noticed by customs as they did the first time I shipped my board here. And they were pretty high with that. Could have bought me second one almost so to speak. And that was more then 1 1/2 years ago and I thought it was ok since soon I could start with OS4. Yeah LOL!

Anymoo, I am not really bothered with all this DMA stuff. Sure I like to have the best out of it. But for me, I just wanted an A1 and OS4 so that I could do some work. That's all. The thing that might bother me more is the long time it took to get (OS4) here. But now I have a machine to run and OS4 on it. That's what I wanted, that's what I am doing, and that's what makes me happy. Also it was in the beta/first batch program so there are bound to be some problems. There is not much that could upset me anymore I guess. I got what I went for.

Coder

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Here's hoping that this is not construed as a rabid post!!!

Now, not being a major hardware guru, my thoughts on the matter may not be correct. If not please explain

As far as I can tell the error on the mobo relates to the IDE UDMA side of things - This is shown when both the onboard ethernet and pci ethernet cause the same problem.

This is further supported by the fact that pci IDE UDMA doesn't suffer from this problem as it all happens across the DMA of the PCI bus, avoiding the onboard controller.

It would seem to suggest that any DMA action across the mobo interferes with the onboard IDE controller - Now wait for it!

this could explain why many of us get horrible glitches in our sound output - from our PCI soundcards doing DMA, when playing back MP3 from HD.

Any thoughts?

Lewis

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@DaveP
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Wow only a few rabid posts, we are doing well.

Seems most people are waiting for Eyetech's statement on this issue before getting all excited and exploding. I'm sure things will pick up after Eyetech have posted something. The trolls can smell the meat but can't find it yet.

I strongly suspect Eyetech have been caught a little off guard and the announcement was premature because it has been stated the testing hasn't been finalized yet. Eyetech need to be 100% sure before anything can happen.

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Poster: DaveP Date: 29-Sep-2004 16:27:26
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The fix is called April 3.

lol! Thanks Dave, you save me the post.. (but I'm posting this!? damn! )


/shoe

Or we have been hardened enough by now..

I'm not happy to hear about another hardware problem,
but since I do like my A1, and have bought it,
the only sane approach is to seek information about possible solutions, and try to be constructive och look for the possibilities

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@Coder

Ouch! I've been bit by customs charges too. But not quite as bad as that. Are you sure customs will put a charge on it? You wouldn't actually be buying anything this time, just mailing it around.

A pci card is a good option but it really dosen't fix the underlying problem of the board being layed out wrong. I hope Eyetech has a fix for it in short order though. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, it's just a line or two that's been layed down on the board the wrong way, right? A lot of people own soldering irons. For me, i'd just send the board to the dealer and let them do the work. And i own a soldering iron too. I'm not even sure if my board has the problem fixed or not. I picked an A1 up long after the Earlybird thing expired. Everything was supposed to be fixed then and the update would bring the drivers needed. Any one know what we should be looking for?

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