I'm trying to get into the chat on my PC but cant

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I'm trying to get into the chat on my PC but cant

How do you connect?? The best way is to use a irc client like xchat or mirc and then connect to server irc.amigaworld.net by for example typing /server irc.amigaworld.net in the status window. then just type join #amigaworld.

Also please describe the problem..

I'm in now Tomas, thanks anyway. I use java but just changed to a different server.

I simply cant understand why OS4 cant just get a license for the Pegasos II hardware or even the smaller new boards! You say its because of Genesi, yet the things all of you are putting up with now is way worse then anything Genesi has ever done. Heck other companies did much worse in the later life of the Amiga even. Dont tell me its they money. If Eyetech, Ack ect can gather the funds and the means to do it, then anyone can. Get on with it and just use some great hardware. Bill Buck has said more then once he wont get in the way and let you all do with the hardware as you will. Why the hell would you want to settle for yet another untested developer board??!! What the hell is wrong with all of you?

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Dont tell me its they money

It's because of money, who will pay Hyperion to port OS4 to Pegasos?

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Thanks for the transcript Wegster.

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It's because of money, who will pay Hyperion to port OS4 to Pegasos?

Even if that money was there, I am sure Amiga Inc. would never agree on a license for hardware from Genesi - unfortunately.
I don't know if this could be circumvented by a 3rd party that funds a production run (based on the "open" Pegasos design).

Concerning money for a port: Exactly the same goes for hardware that Troika announced. How do you know they have enough funds to pay for a port?

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It's because of money, who will pay Hyperion to port OS4 to Pegasos?

Oh dont give me that crap, I was willing to do it at one time and was refused so its not the money. If it was who the heck is Ack getting it from? Becides its a PPC system thats not a lot diffrent the the A1 now and I dont think it would take long at all to get it running. I hear its running now behind closed doors as well.

Ack is just another sham, and I am sorry to say that, but anyone can license a hardware design, so why not just do it with hardware that works and is proven. Why pay so damn much money for yet another crap board when you can get a Pegasos for a fraction of the cost? Heck let Ack license that board! Its basicly free to do so now from what I understand. Not only would it give Hyperion a good standard to work with , but it would open up sales to a heck of a lot more potential users on the MorphOS side.

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What!? Who will pay for the port to Troika or anything else then? Reality check: NO REAL HARDWARE COMPANY WILL EVER PAY THEM! `Course not for god`s sake.

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They won't deal with Genesi because it would be seen as a "win" for BBRV. I'm not going to spend the time looking, but there was a post from BBRV a couple years ago that basically amounted to him telling Rogue to "get to work and make an OS for me."

So, if you want to piss and moan about whose responsible for OS4 *not* being available on the Peg you can put the blame squarely on the fact that Bill Buck acts like a douche-bag. It's that simple. They won't port it simply because it would be propping up his ego. The result is that we, the consumers, loose.

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...wait... what?

how unexpected!!!!

sorry but it's Very hard to believe something happeng in schelude, if
Amiga/Hardware is Talkin About!!

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There have been technical difficulties getting the CPU module to work with both the existing AmigaOne boards and the new TSi109 based design and I need time to analyze the issue.

Damm! I hope you get this sorted.

In the mean time you should concentrate on the PV and the other standalone board! Just IMHO!

Dont worry, everything is "on shedule and rockin"

Ok Troika it`s your turn to make an announcement.

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@ Thread

Let's not be too quick with the guillotines yet. The positive thing out of this whole thing is that Adam did still take the time to take questions from the community and offer his explaination. That is far more than we've recieved from others in recent times. And he has promised updates every two weeks.

We are all frustrated, myself included. But at least there are projects in the works. There is some progress, and hopefully, this will all be worked out soon. Adam is obviously working very hard to bring these projects to reality. Let's try and be co-operative and give him the benefit of doubt until he has time to work out the issues currently at hand. If he does, the end results will be more new hardware for us to run OS4.

@Legion

Now let us just for a second act like it's just because they don't want to grow up BB's ego:

You'd still have one company just selling the HW they produce pretty much unharmed, while another company has no way to sell their SW.

What would you say, which of the 2 (in this scenario) is acting like idiots ?

But it never really was about BB's ego, as really isn't any bigger than those of McBill, Barry, Alan, Ben etc.

It may be about a clash of these overgrown egos, or just the outright refusal to admit mistakes made years ago, but I'm not so sure.

Don't forget that neither Ack nor Troika have a confirmed licence, actually whenever asked they either replie with BS or evasive non-answers. It might be possible for Ack to circumvent it by declaring the Powervixxen a classic-addon, but that won't solve any problems (as such a system is only interesting for retro-geeks).

There is also the question how much such a licence would cost all in all, and what effect it would have om retail-prices. The A1s for sure were priced far to high to be sold in big numbers (even if they hadn't been so underperforming).

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@ Herewegoagain

Cant Agree MORE !
Nothing more to say ....

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@Kronos
Yes, it is madness the way Hyperion (& presumably Amiga Inc) behave. So what if Bill Buck has a massive ego, grating personality, and happy to do everything that is legally possible (but not always morally right)? At this point beggars can't be choosers, but Hyperion is still acting like people are banging on their door to make hardware for OS4!

Truth is, we have a couple of very inexperienced & tiny companies doing a bad job of producing new hardware, and Hyperion could go belly-up (or we all realised we can't wait forever) before anything usable is sold. Now maybe Hyperion have some other partners, but most likely they are aimed at the embedded market, not us, or they'd have been courting us like Troika/etc have, so it's unlikely the hardware will be fast or of much interest to us.


I hope that Ack has now learnt their lesson to not announce predictions. But as they pulled-out at the last minute, just like Troika, it gives a very bad & unprofessional impression - and I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking it was all lies (rather like Troika seems).

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@Kronos

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Poster: Kronos Date: 11-Jun-2006 2:02:28 ... Don't forget that neither Ack nor Troika have a confirmed licence, actually whenever asked they either replie with BS or evasive non-answers. It might be possible for Ack to circumvent it by declaring the Powervixxen a classic-addon, but that won't solve any problems (as such a system is only interesting for retro-geeks). ...

Actually, Adam finally answered this one on irc yesterday. Looks like he is actually getting a license from Amiga Inc.:

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Jun 10 15:41:26 ackcontrols22 A fully licensed Tsi109 based board running OS4 will be at the AmiRevival show.

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Jun 10 15:08:50 wegster ackcontrols: licensing for carrier board to be done by whome, ack, or other? Jun 10 15:09:06 wegster and how much ram for mobility 7500? Jun 10 15:09:06 ackcontrols22 PV will be released first as there isn't any licensing issues, the carrier board will require a license. Jun 10 15:09:43 Amiga_3k ackcontrol: Guess 'getting a license' has something to do with AmigaInc? Jun 10 15:10:04 Guest651 ackcontrols: How difficult has it been trying to gain a license? Jun 10 15:10:20 ackcontrols22 Amiga Inc. has been very responsive and hasn't presented any stumbling blocks. Jun 10 15:10:51 tarbos does pv tl require a separate licence? Jun 10 15:11:15 ackcontrols22 tarbos: I'm grouping a few things together. Jun 10 15:11:47 Bernd ackcontrols22: will OS4 be bundled with the PV? (we had some debate about this before) Jun 10 15:12:52 Rob a quick google suggests 32MB Jun 10 15:12:53 ackcontrols22 Bernd: OS4 will be bundled with PV

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Truth is, we have a couple of very inexperienced & tiny companies doing a bad job of producing new hardware,

Well, to be fair. I think the issue is that the CPU cards will either work on A1 or ACK but not necassarily both.

This is a believable last minute hitch that can occur after exhaustive testing.
I am sure it can be solved with decoupling or some other fix - the difficulty is that you can never tell how long it will take to fix if you don't quite know what the problem is.

It's nice that ACK have the confidence now to keep us updated with these issues!

@Herwegoagain

Maybe maybe, but I'm sure you could have gotten similar statements from AHT shortly before AInc came in with their last minute demands.

IF these board are really in the hinted stage of development and since OS4 seems to be the primary target OS I would have thought that licencing would have been cleared up early on.

I mean one should not forget that AInc have tendency to kill good opportunities in last minute (talks with MOS-team, forcing Amithlon into H&P's hands, AHT .....).

What I find really odd is the concept that the PV wouldn't need a licence as I quite sure that back than only "existing classic addons" were excluded from the mandatory licence.

Just think about it, if Ack ships the PV with OS4, what force could stop him from shipping the carrier-board just as is ?

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