To people that wonder what are the limitations of this demo version :

There are three limitations in this version: you cannot save documents to disk, you cannot print documents and the size of text clips you can copy to the clipboard is limited to 20,000 bytes.


@APC

Good move. All software should be available as a demo.


@All

I registered this nice program that I know since I have an Amiga. What about you ?

Last edited by elwood on 12-Jun-2006 at 11:36 AM.

Quote:

To people that wonder what are the limitations of this demo version : There are three limitations in this version: you cannot save documents to disk, you cannot print documents and the size of text clips you can copy to the clipboard is limited to 20,000 bytes.

And there's a requester which appears every time you start the demo version which mentions these limitations.

Hi,

Can someone check if they have a GR when cutting a maked area
using "Right-Amiga" "x".

Thank you.

Quote:

Can someone check if they have a GR when cutting a maked area using "Right-Amiga" "x".

Sorry, I can't confirm this, but there is definitely something wrong with the clipboard size limitation. Serves me right for tinkering with the foundations of the editor There will be an update to the editor demo shortly. Sorry again!

Hi,

Quote:

Sorry, I can't confirm this, but there is definitely something wrong

You can't confirm because you don't have an A1 or because you don't have this problem?

I order CED last week.... I hope the problem is only with the DEMO.

Thank you.

Quote:

You can't confirm because you don't have an A1 or because you don't have this problem?

I have an AmigaOne, but not at work. But there was definitely something in the clipboard handling code which didn't look right.

Quote:

I hope the problem is only with the DEMO.

It is only with the demo. The trouble started when I added the size limitation to the code, which during my humble testing didn't give me any grief.

The updated demo code should be available for download now. This would be CED 5.5.

Quote:

It is only with the demo. The trouble started when I added the size limitation...

Good new.... Thank you!

Oups... bad new for the latest demo! same problem when I use the CUT operation.

Thank you.

Last edited by Pierre55 on 12-Jun-2006 at 10:44 PM.

@elwood

Not me ;p

Hi,

After more testing I did not found why but sometimes I still have a GURU MEDITATION 80000003.

no problem cutting a big area and sometimes a GR when I cut a smaller area and not each times.

Thank you.

thanx a lot for the demo olsen!
did you know that CED crashes when started from within ABC-Shell?
HNL_DK said that it had something to do with CED detaching itself from the shell, can this be fixed in some way? I constantly manage to hang my a1 when editing sources because I accidentally start CED from ABC-Shell.

@spotUPQuote:

thanx a lot for the demo olsen! did you know that CED crashes when started from within ABC-Shell? HNL_DK said that it had something to do with CED detaching itself from the shell, can this be fixed in some way? I constantly manage to hang my a1 when editing sources because I accidentally start CED from ABC-Shell.

I told you back then that I was not able to test it, as I do not own CED... and that I was not able to tell anything about it without a crashlog... but IIRC did I find some information on aminet, that gave an idea what could be wrong, but I have no idea... I will try to see if I can find some time to test CED next weekend.

Quote:

did you know that CED crashes when started from within ABC-Shell?

No, that's news to me.

Quote:

HNL_DK said that it had something to do with CED detaching itself from the shell, can this be fixed in some way? I constantly manage to hang my a1 when editing sources because I accidentally start CED from ABC-Shell.

The way CygnusEd detaches from the shell should be compatible with how the operating system allows for this kind of thing. In fact, I talked Colin Wenzel into changing the dos.library API so that programs which need to detach from the shell can do so in a much cleaner fashion. This is what CygnusEd uses, or rather this is what the clib2 code permits which CygnusEd uses.

As for starting CygnusEd every time you want to edit a file: start CygnusEd as a resident process in your User-Startup. Just add "ced -r" to it. Later, you can hit [Right Alt]+[Right Shift]+[Return] to open the editor window (you might want to check the "Hot-start enabled" menu item in the "Global" menu and save these settings as your defaults). Also, when CygnusEd is running in the background its associated "Ed" command can be used to make CygnusEd load a file. This happens without any detaching of any kind and may be safer with ABC-Shell. More on "Ed" can be found in the online documentation.

@olsen

I did just check... "ced" is crashing when ran from abc-shell (/SDK/C/sh) ... "ed" is working fine.

I am going to send you an email

Hi,

Just try the CUT operation and I have a GR:
Any idea?

Crash log for task "ced"
Generated by GrimReaper 51.20
Crash occured in module at address 0x70A1ADD0
Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) exception

Register dump:
GPR (General Purpose Registers):
0: 016B6EEC 02136960 14C40030 00000000 00000000 00000000 0210BC70 00000004
8: 1340F7B0 14124588 00000000 70A60000 00000000 70A1AD44 70A1AC7C 70A1AD64
16: 13410000 020F70C0 14D9A5C4 70A1AD48 00000000 0182F322 00001A41 00001A0E
24: FFD48040 00000001 00000078 00000000 00000000 02110504 0211046E 0186311A


FPR (Floating Point Registers, NaN = Not a Number):
0: NaN 0 0 0
4: 0 0 0 0
8: 0 1.67772e+07 1e+61 1e-59
12: 0 0 0 0
16: 0 0 0 0
20: 0 0 0 0
24: 1e+61 1e-59 0.5 4.5036e+15
28: NaN 65536 1.67772e+07 0

FPSCR (Floating Point Status and Control Register): 0x82004000


SPRs (Special Purpose Registers):
Machine State (msr) : 0x0000F030
Condition (cr) : 0x22000000
Instruction Pointer (ip) : 0x70A1ADD0
Xtended Exception (xer) : 0x20000000
Count (ctr) : 0x0141BA68
Link (lr) : 0x70A1AD64
DSI Status (dsisr) : 0x08000000
Data Address (dar) : 0x00000004



680x0 emulated registers:
DATA: 00000195 00000003 00000000 FFD30001 00000000 00000191 00000000 0000001A
ADDR: 020F7440 0210BC70 00000000 0213696C 14C40030 14C44084 0186311A 02136900
FPU0: 0 0 0 0
FPU4: 0 0 0 0



Symbol info:
Instruction pointer 0x70A1ADD0 belongs to module "" (HUNK)

Stack trace:


68k Stack trace:
0182f320 (68k IP) - "Kickstart/kernel" Hunk 0001 Offset 0002f31c
14d9a5c4 - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 0001a5bc (SegList: 5360001)
0182f322 - "Kickstart/kernel" Hunk 0001 Offset 0002f31e
0186311a - "Kickstart/kernel" Hunk 0001 Offset 00063116
14d9a710 - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 0001a708 (SegList: 5360001)
0186311a - "Kickstart/kernel" Hunk 0001 Offset 00063116
14d90000 - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 0000fff8 (SegList: 5360001)
14d98cc6 - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 00018cbe (SegList: 5360001)
14d973bc - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 000173b4 (SegList: 5360001)
14d9714a - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 00017142 (SegList: 5360001)
14d8dcf0 - "ced" Hunk 0000 Offset 0000dce8 (SegList: 5360001)

68k disassembly:
0182f318: XXXXXXXX illegal address
0182f31c: XXXXXXXX illegal address
0182f320: XXXXXXXX illegal address
0182f324: XXXXXXXX illegal address
0182f328: XXXXXXXX illegal address

System information:

CPU
Model: Motorola MPC 7445/7455 Apollo V2.1
CPU speed: 933 MHz
FSB speed: 133 MHz
Extensions: performancemonitor altivec

Machine
Machine name: AmigaOne
Memory: 524288 KB
Extensions: bus.pci bus.agp

Expansion buses
PCI/AGP
00:00.0 Vendor 0x10CC Device 0x0660
Range 0: 00000000 - 00400000 (PREF.MEM)
00:01.0 Vendor 0x10CC Device 0x0661
00:06.0 Vendor 0x10B7 Device 0x9200
Range 0: 00802000 - 00802080 (IO)
Range 1: 8C100000 - 8C100080 (MEM)
00:07.0 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x0686
00:07.1 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x0571
Range 0: 000001F0 - 00000200 (IO)
Range 1: 000003F0 - 00000400 (IO)
Range 2: 00000170 - 00000180 (IO)
Range 3: 00000370 - 00000380 (IO)
Range 4: 0000CC00 - 0000CC10 (IO)
00:07.2 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x3038
Range 4: 00802080 - 008020A0 (IO)
00:07.3 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x3038
Range 4: 008020A0 - 008020C0 (IO)
00:07.4 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x3057
00:07.5 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x3058
Range 0: 00802100 - 00802200 (IO)
Range 1: 00802200 - 00802210 (IO)
Range 2: 00802200 - 00802210 (IO)
00:07.6 Vendor 0x1106 Device 0x3068
Range 0: 00802300 - 00802400 (IO)
00:08.0 Vendor 0x1102 Device 0x0002
Range 0: 00802400 - 00802420 (IO)
00:08.1 Vendor 0x1102 Device 0x7002
Range 0: 00802420 - 00802430 (IO)
01:00.0 Vendor 0x1002 Device 0x4966
Range 0: 80000000 - 84000000 (PREF.MEM)
Range 1: 00002000 - 00002100 (IO)
Range 2: 84000000 - 84010000 (MEM)
01:00.1 Vendor 0x1002 Device 0x496E
Range 0: 88000000 - 8C000000 (PREF.MEM)
Range 1: 8C000000 - 8C010000 (MEM)

Libraries
0x01a9d4c0: french.language V51.4
0x0186311a: exec.library V51.31
0x018c023c: vilintuisup.library V0.9
0x018c0028: cgxvideo.library V42.1
0x018bdda0: cybergraphics.library V42.7
0x0210d938: getfile.gadget V51.4
0x020ee7d0: startup.aweblib V36.0
0x020dfca8: awebsupport.library V2.3
0x020dfb60: awebamissl.library V1.0
0x020dfa00: awebamitcp.library V1.0
0x020f7ac0: fuelgauge.gadget V51.3
0x020f78c0: speedbar.gadget V51.7
0x020f76fc: colorwheel.gadget V51.3
0x01963578: dopus.library V22.25
0x01ede874: amigaguide.datatype V51.4
0x01ede3a4: amigaguide.library V51.1
0x01ede184: asyncio.library V50.3
0x01edde00: popupmenu.library V51.6
0x01ed0894: xadmaster.library V13.0
0x01ecd8f8: application.library V51.5
0x01963ae8: arexx.class V51.1
0x019638a0: bitmap.image V51.2
0x0196648c: device.audio V6.2
0x01965dcc: emu10kx.audio V6.5
0x019642f4: filesave.audio V6.3
0x0196b33c: asl.library V51.33
0x01e1c00c: hub.usbfd V1.10
0x01cc4094: usbresource.library V1.9
0x01cc21a4: usbprivate.library V1.12
0x01ca8b8c: commodities.library V51.3
0x01cc49d8: checkbox.gadget V51.26
0x01cc47c8: clicktab.gadget V51.6
0x01cc4540: listbrowser.gadget V51.12
0x01caf800: space.gadget V51.3
0x01caf5d0: chooser.gadget V51.4
0x01ca9698: penmap.image V51.3
0x01ca94e8: integer.gadget V51.2
0x01ca61e0: string.gadget V51.6
0x01ca9380: requester.class V51.18
0x01ca91b0: label.image V51.9
0x01ca8ff0: glyph.image V51.1
0x01ca8e10: button.gadget V51.7
0x01ca6018: scroller.gadget V51.5
0x01ca9880: bevel.image V51.7
0x01ca5e00: layout.gadget V51.11
0x01ca9a10: drawlist.image V51.1
0x01cb0750: window.class V51.13
0x01caf990: newlib.library V3.11
0x01c545f8: mathieeedoubbas.library V51.1
0x01a99310: jpeg.datatype V51.6
0x01a9dd08: ilbm.datatype V51.2
0x01a9db14: picture.datatype V51.5
0x01a9d788: png.datatype V51.3
0x01a9d66c: mpega.library V2.4
0x01a98ff4: ft2.library V7.32
0x01a8d800: emulation.library V41.435
0x01a76358: sound.datatype V44.28
0x01a761b0: 8svx.datatype V51.1
0x01a9d360: Picasso96API.library V2.340
0x01b46384: workbench.library V51.33
0x01ab8d18: gadtools.library V51.5
0x01a98938: datatypes.library V51.6
0x01b51f0c: usergroup.library V4.28
0x01ae715c: textclip.library V51.2
0x01acec88: bsdsocket.library V4.279
0x01a3acd4: icon.library V51.14
0x01a3f010: version.library V51.4
0x01a3ee38: iffparse.library V51.1
0x01a3e69c: locale.library V51.16
0x01a56aa4: diskfont.library V51.11
0x019cf480: petunia.library V51.19
0x019708a0: diskcache.library V3.9
0x01957924: dos.library V51.85
0x01955edc: elf.library V51.9
0x018c8998: intuition.library V51.47
0x018bd698: rtg.library V41.4274
0x018c83b0: ATIRadeon.chip V51.13
0x018c03ec: PCIGraphics.card V51.12
0x018b3d00: keymap.library V51.8
0x018b36d8: layers.library V51.5
0x018b1a18: graphics.library V51.33
0x018b135c: nonvolatile.library V51.4
0x018ac814: utility.library V51.3
0x018a1db0: expansion.library V51.7
0x01c548b6: rexxsyslib.library V45.3 (Legacy)

Devices
0x02101aec: clipboard.device V51.1
0x01edeaa4: ahi.device V6.6
0x01e3e388: highway.usbhcd V1.6
0x01e1ce60: uhci.usbhcd V51.19
0x01cc1ecc: usbsys.device V1.12
0x01b47aa4: eth3com.device V51.42
0x018e1f54: a1ide.device V51.54
0x018c7500: console.device V51.18
0x018bd378: ramdrive.device V51.2
0x018b43d4: input.device V51.3
0x018b3ff4: keyboard.device V51.4
0x018b391c: gameport.device V51.5
0x018b33f0: timer.device V51.18

Tasks
input.device (Waiting)
Stack: 0x018b4810 - 0x018bc810, pointer @ 0x018bc780 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
SFS DosList handler (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01977980 - 0x0197997c, pointer @ 0x019798e0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
USB stack (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e560b0 - 0x01e5a0b0, pointer @ 0x01e59ff0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xf8007000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
UHCI Controller Task Unit 0 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e05300 - 0x01e0d300, pointer @ 0x01e0d230 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xbc001000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
UHCI Controller Task Unit 1 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e32d68 - 0x01e3ad68, pointer @ 0x01e3ac90 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xbc001000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
a1ide.device - chip 0 port 1 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0191c3b8 - 0x019243b8, pointer @ 0x01924300 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
eth3com.device (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01c2be80 - 0x01c37a7c, pointer @ 0x01c379d0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0001000, SigWait 0x10000010
State: Process (Waiting)
a1ide.device - chip 0 port 0 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x018e2468 - 0x018ea468, pointer @ 0x018ea3b0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x20000000
State: Task (Waiting)
SFS:DH1 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0198a700 - 0x0198c6fc, pointer @ 0x0198c650 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH4 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019a8298 - 0x019aa294, pointer @ 0x019aa1f0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DVDRW (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a9f2b8 - 0x01aaaeb4, pointer @ 0x01aaae10 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH5 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019b2120 - 0x019b411c, pointer @ 0x019b4070 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH3 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0199e410 - 0x019a040c, pointer @ 0x019a0360 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH2 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01994588 - 0x01996584, pointer @ 0x019964e0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH0 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0197c7d8 - 0x0197e7d4, pointer @ 0x0197e730 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DVDRW (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a7e698 - 0x01a8a294, pointer @ 0x01a8a140 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH1 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01988498 - 0x0198a494, pointer @ 0x0198a340 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH4 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019a6060 - 0x019a805c, pointer @ 0x019a7f00 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CD0 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01981600 - 0x019835fc, pointer @ 0x01983540 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
RAM (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019ca600 - 0x019cc5fc, pointer @ 0x019cc2f0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH5 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019afee8 - 0x019b1ee4, pointer @ 0x019b1d90 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH3 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0199c1d8 - 0x0199e1d4, pointer @ 0x0199e070 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
SFS:DH2 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01992350 - 0x0199434c, pointer @ 0x019941f0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CygnusEd mouse blanker (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0213f0d8 - 0x021410d8, pointer @ 0x02141070 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x0000f000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
SFS:DH0 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0196e7b0 - 0x019707ac, pointer @ 0x01970650 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000100, SigWait 0x18000000
State: Process (Waiting)
dos_flc_handler (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0195f5a0 - 0x0196159c, pointer @ 0x019614e0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
RAW (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019b9d70 - 0x019bbd6c, pointer @ 0x019bbbb0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019c21a0 - 0x019c419c, pointer @ 0x019c3fe0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
KingCON DOS-process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01fbcfbc - 0x01fc8bb4, pointer @ 0x01fc8a90 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01fa5264 - 0x01fb0e5c, pointer @ 0x01fb0d40 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x40000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
KingCON DOS-process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e919fc - 0x01e9d5f4, pointer @ 0x01e9d4d0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e79ca4 - 0x01e8589c, pointer @ 0x01e85780 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x40000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a0ba30 - 0x01a1762c, pointer @ 0x01a17470 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
KingCON DOS-process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01ebf26c - 0x01ecae64, pointer @ 0x01ecad40 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01ea8254 - 0x01eb3e4c, pointer @ 0x01eb3d30 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x40000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
KingCON DOS-process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x020d125c - 0x020dce54, pointer @ 0x020dcd30 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x020b9524 - 0x020c511c, pointer @ 0x020c5000 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x40000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
KingCON DOS-process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0217353c - 0x0217f134, pointer @ 0x0217f010 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
CON (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0215f53c - 0x0216b134, pointer @ 0x0216b020 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x60000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
dos_nbmd_dcn_pcn_process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0195d568 - 0x0195f564, pointer @ 0x0195f4b0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x0000c100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
ENV (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019f7888 - 0x019ff884, pointer @ 0x019ff6e0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
console.device (Waiting)
Stack: 0x018d9e20 - 0x018e1e20, pointer @ 0x018e1d90 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xf0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
RexxMaster [] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01c780b4 - 0x01c83cac, pointer @ 0x01c83c10 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
TEXTCLIP (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01adb4e8 - 0x01ae70e4, pointer @ 0x01ae6fe0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
ToolsDaemon [ToolsDaemon] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01fc8c04 - 0x02042d14, pointer @ 0x02042ca0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xe0000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
string.gadget server (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01cb08a8 - 0x01cbc4a4, pointer @ 0x01cbc2d0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x40000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
Workbench Clipboard Server (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01df94a0 - 0x01e0509c, pointer @ 0x01e04ff0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
dopus_hotkeez (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01edf348 - 0x01ee1348, pointer @ 0x01ee1260 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
dopus_clock (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f93ee8 - 0x01f95ee8, pointer @ 0x01f95b60 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
Workbench [Workbench] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01de0a68 - 0x01dec664, pointer @ 0x01dec4e0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00008100
State: Process (Waiting)
CygnusEd ver. 3.5+ [ced] (Crashed)
Stack: 0x0212b0dc - 0x02136cd4, pointer @ 0x02136960 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x24000000
State: Process (Crashed)
TCP/IP Log (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a1ac70 - 0x01a2686c, pointer @ 0x01a267c0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80003000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
datatypes.library (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01b2eac8 - 0x01b3a6c4, pointer @ 0x01b3a620 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00001100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
ConClip (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01c64490 - 0x01c7008c, pointer @ 0x01c6ff80 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
« IPrefs » (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01c18260 - 0x01c23e5c, pointer @ 0x01c236b0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x0000f000, SigWait 0xc0000100
State: Process (Waiting)
Background CLI [C:PowerIcons] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01ccc0e0 - 0x01d461fc, pointer @ 0x01d45f20 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80001000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
USB stack Process (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01e4a498 - 0x01e56094, pointer @ 0x01e55fe0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80001000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
hub.usbfd (Waiting)
Stack: 0x14023c08 - 0x1402bc08, pointer @ 0x1402bb60 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xa0000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
hub.usbfd (Waiting)
Stack: 0x14030028 - 0x14038028, pointer @ 0x14037f80 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xa0000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
DefIcons (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f45780 - 0x01f5137c, pointer @ 0x01f51180 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80009000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
ASYNCWB (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f39b68 - 0x01f45764, pointer @ 0x01f45640 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80001000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
RAWBInfo (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f746b0 - 0x01f802ac, pointer @ 0x01f801b0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80001000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
Mixer (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f5c9c0 - 0x01f685bc, pointer @ 0x01f68340 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x78001000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
application.library messageserver (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01ecdb78 - 0x01eceb18, pointer @ 0x01ecea70 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xc0000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Waiting)
TCP/IP Configuration (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a3f0e0 - 0x01a4acdc, pointer @ 0x01a4ab30 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xf8003000, SigWait 0x00000110
State: Process (Waiting)
dopus_arbiter (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01f802c8 - 0x01f8bec4, pointer @ 0x01f8bdf0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
Background CLI [c:AllKeys] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01b3a6e0 - 0x01b462dc, pointer @ 0x01b45aa0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xf0001000, SigWait 0x08000010
State: Process (Waiting)
TCP/IP Superserver [TCP/IP Superserver] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01b02ec0 - 0x01b0eabc, pointer @ 0x01b0e500 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xd0000080, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
DirectoryOpus (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01a5ee60 - 0x01a6aa5c, pointer @ 0x01a69e50 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x54008000, SigWait 0x20001100
State: Process (Waiting)
Shell Process [] (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0214b918 - 0x02157514, pointer @ 0x02157170 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000100, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
reaper.task (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019db760 - 0x019e375c, pointer @ 0x019e3520 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00003000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
MightyMouse (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01dc835c - 0x01dd3f54, pointer @ 0x01dd3e80 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
AWeb (Waiting)
Stack: 0x0207d090 - 0x020addcc, pointer @ 0x020ad9d0 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xfec01000, SigWait 0x00200000
State: Process (Waiting)
TCP/IP Control (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01b18af0 - 0x01b246ec, pointer @ 0x01b24510 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xf8009080, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
ramlib (Waiting)
Stack: 0x019e3798 - 0x019eb794, pointer @ 0x019eb700 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x80000000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
Picasso96 (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01ae7298 - 0x01af2e94, pointer @ 0x01af2d70 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0xfffe0000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Process (Waiting)
Sound_ObjectHandler (Waiting)
Stack: 0x01c3faa0 - 0x01c4b69c, pointer @ 0x01c4b590 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x4000f000, SigWait 0x00000100
State: Process (Waiting)
idle.task (Ready)
Stack: 0x018af290 - 0x018b0290, pointer @ 0x018b0260 (Cookie OK)
Signals: SigRec 0x00000000, SigWait 0x00000000
State: Task (Ready)

Having briefly played with the 68k demo (on OS3.9) it looks & feels pretty much like the old CygnusEd. It's rather debatable whether it's worth paying so much (*) for what feels like a minor update: We are still stuck with the somewhat illogical menus, which I know my way around by now, whereas GoldEd (or whatever it's called now) had much better menus that can also be reconfigured anyway. No syntax highlighting either. So this was a missed opportunity IMHO.

On the good side, it's nice to no-longer have to press Alt-Enter all the time! Handling of PC-format text files is great. And the bug fixes for binary editing should come in handy.

Perhaps the price would make more sense if you use OS4 though - being PPC native & handling the improved Intuition properly has to be good.

(* I can't see what the price is, because APC-TCP's shop seems to be broken now. It did work, so I remember it's price wasn't tiny. Oh, and the upgrade was hardly any cheaper - simply not worth the hassle of returning my original CD, which would likely get lost on it's way to Germany anyway...)

Last edited by ChrisH on 13-Jun-2006 at 06:52 PM.

@ChrisH

The price would be 100% worth it if it supported Folding/Unfolding.

*hint* *hint*
This is a secret subliminal message only for Olsen:
"You will add folding and unfolding. You will add folding and unfolding. You have no choice. It is your destiny. So it is written. So it shall be done."

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Just try the CUT operation and I have a GR: Any idea?

Sorry, no, this doesn't look as if it pointed to anything suspiciously associated with the cut & paste operation. Based upon the stack backtrace, the crash happens in the print requester, which is entirely the wrong place for a crash to happen under these circumstances.

I don't mean to pry, but this looks like are running the 68k version on OS4. Is that correct? Whatever happens might not be caused by CygnusEd doing something very wrong. It might be affected by a wacky side-effect of clipboard operations in general.

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Having briefly played with the 68k demo (on OS3.9) it looks & feels pretty much like the old CygnusEd.

Which is largely because CygnusEd is hard to change. Not just on technical grounds, but also because the users have become somewhat attached to its quirks.

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We are still stuck with the somewhat illogical menus, which I know my way around by now, whereas GoldEd (or whatever it's called now) had much better menus that can also be reconfigured anyway.

The menu layout is another of these quirks. You know, I worked hard to make it possible to change the layout, which was hard-coded. I may have been too much of a chicken here. The layout could have been changed. It's just that with so much of the CygnusEd user interface being in the menu, I may have been too cautious to tinker with it. The more CygnusEd grows, the weirder the menu layout will become. It's been some odd 15 years since the original Amiga User Interface Style Guide was published, but we're still seeing no effects in CygnusEd

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No syntax highlighting either. So this was a missed opportunity IMHO.

Sorry, no opportunity of that kind available at that time: the editor's architecture is so very different from how other editors work that features such as syntax colouring and folding are not easily added. As I said before in a different thread on CygnusEd, the options for getting syntax colouring or folding to work are few, and each would take a major effort to work, during which the entire editor would have to be largely rewritten.

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On the good side, it's nice to no-longer have to press Alt-Enter all the time!

There are still a few nifty features hidden behind the menu structure or magic key combinations. Making the auto-indent feature visible may have just made the editor more useful for many users

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Handling of PC-format text files is great.

That came out of user's request. It's also one of the few features that TurboText 2.0 had which I envied I also envy TurboText 2.0's folding support, its configurable menus and the fact that you can save keyboard macros as ARexx scripts. All this, and more, is on my TODO list.

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And the bug fixes for binary editing should come in handy.

The bug fixes which made the long line display/editing possible are but the tip of the iceberg. Problem is, bug fixes to an old program, especially one whose quirks one has learned to live with, aren't much of selling point. Even though the bug fixes are just as hard to come up with as adding new features are

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Perhaps the price would make more sense if you use OS4 though - being PPC native & handling the improved Intuition properly has to be good.

Yes, the main target audience are, also because we don't have a native MorphOS port of the current CygnusEd yet, OS4 and 68k (also UAE) users.

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I can't see what the price is, because APC-TCP's shop seems to be broken now. It did work, so I remember it's price wasn't tiny.

Well, you get what you pay for. The amount of work I had to put into CygnusEd to make it what it is reflects the price somewhat (to pay for the effort it ought to be higher, but who's going to spend that much money on Amiga software these days?).

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Oh, and the upgrade was hardly any cheaper - simply not worth the hassle of returning my original CD, which would likely get lost on it's way to Germany anyway...

You seem to have a very low expectations for either the Royal Mail's or the Deutsche Post's ability to lose bulky envelopes in transit. The upgrade rules were recently changed to reduce the cost of overseas customers for mailing in a proof of purchase for an older version. The CD inlay is sufficient now, and if you have a CygnusEd V3 on floppy disk, as published by ASDG, Inc. in around 1992/1993 then the serial number printed on the disk will be do as well.

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The price would be 100% worth it if it supported Folding/Unfolding.

I'd like to have folding, too. The folding support is just about the only reason I still occasionally use TurboText 2.0. To have that in CygnusEd would open up even more possibilities for what you can do with the editor and the text it manages. However, it takes time to make that happen, and it will not happen that soon...