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- English has to be native language

so only people who speak and write English natively can apply?

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right. we needd a perfect english

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An alternative would be to have an English (native) speaker proofread and suggest corrections/improvemements.

My own German is far too rusty to be of much use in full translations, but I'd be very happy to proof-read and refer to original German for guidance.

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An alternative would be to have an English (native) speaker proofread and suggest corrections/improvemements.

I'm not sure this is a good idea? My daughter lives in Tokyo and sometimes supports her student lifestyle with some translation work - Japanese to English. However sometimes she has to proof read English that has already been translated from Japanese by a non-native speaker. She says it takes much longer to translate than from the original Japanese. Maybe it's different for German to English though?

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Well, that depends upon many factors, such as the quality of the first-level translation, the fluency of the non-native translator, the subject and complexity of the material being translated, whether material has been properly referenced, whether the subject-matter of the material is familiar to either the translator or the proof-reader, whether any of the parties involved are trained linguists, translators etc, etc etc

Sadly, knowing the paucity of the English education and its ability to produce competent linguists, I feel that it might be hard to find enough native English speakers with an adequate knowledge of German.

Not to mention the fact that are many non-native English speakers here whose English is in many ways superior to that of the natives.

And, are we looking for British English, USA English, Antipodean English, etc, etc, etc

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sure, we need someone for check the translated text. but first we need some translater. and this fast :/

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@Andreas:

So you should seriously think about yoodoo2´s words... it´s very likely much easier to find a German native speaker with sufficient knowlegde of the Englisch language than vice versa, to do a first translation of good quality. You know, German as foreign language is not as often teached in school as Englisch is.

I think you will find two people doing the work (one doing the translation and one proof reading it) in reasonable time and quality much faster than one Englisch native speaker with a really good knowledge of the German language who can do the work in the time you wish him to

Greetz

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>So you should seriously think about yoodoo2´s words... it´s very likely much easier to find a German native speaker with sufficient knowlegde of the Englisch language than vice versa, to do a first translation of good quality. You know, German as foreign language is not as often teached in school as Englisch is.

i know the problem and when german users with perfect english write to us, we dont say no. but i think is the better way when we found users with motherlanguage english.


>I think you will find two people doing the work (one doing the translation and one proof reading it) in reasonable time and quality much faster than one Englisch native speaker with a really good knowledge of the German language who can do the work in the time you wish him to

today 3 german user write to us, but not one english user :(

but we need more. the best way is when we have 10 translaters.
(its not a small project)

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@Andreas:

We told you Well, I think the reason for the English native speakers NOT to contact you is your preliminaries. It's very hard to find one, speaking and writing German perfectly and I bet that most of them don't dare to answer because they will possibly find their knowledge of the German language insufficient for your needs.

You should "soften" your advert a little bit IMHO. German native speakers with good English knowledge AND English native speakers with some knowledge of German language (not perfect, but quite good) would be better and easier to find.

Greetz

And then there's people like the norwegians. We learn both english and german at school

Sadly, most of us do not speak perfect german. However, our english is absolutely marvellous

I for one do not think you will find a native english speaker who is 1: willing to do it in the time you require, or 2: able to do it in the time you require. Because from my experience, very few native english speakers have much training in foreign languages.

Me, I haven't been using my german enough lately, so I can only read, not write. I would have thought that was enough for translating, but apparently not

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>We told you Well, I think the reason for the English native speakers NOT to contact you is your preliminaries. It's very hard to find one, speaking and writing German perfectly and I bet that most of them don't dare to answer because they will possibly find their knowledge of the German language insufficient for your needs.

i know. its not easy :/

>You should "soften" your advert a little bit IMHO. German native speakers with good English knowledge AND English native speakers with some knowledge of German language (not perfect, but quite good) would be better and easier to find.

yes, but we need translaters where understand the german text. the must not only translate, the must understand what they translate. thats possible

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It might be an idea to give a bigger clue about the actual project (translating The Guru Book?) If that's the case, then detailed knowledge of Amiga programming would be highly important.

A more precise idea of timescales would also be useful: I have no time to offer atm, but would be able to work over July-Sept.

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>It might be an idea to give a bigger clue about the actual project (translating The Guru Book?) If that's the case, then detailed knowledge of Amiga programming would be highly important.

sorry, we can give first in some weeks details for the project. but we would use the time how good we can and search translaters.
its not the Guru Book.

>A more precise idea of timescales would also be useful: I have no time to offer atm, but would be able to work over July-Sept.

we work at this project the last 2 months. we would to start to translate from in 6 weeks from today to the end of the year.

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right. we needd a perfect english

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