Oh no, another surprise?

Anyway, i must say that amigans are very lucky in Sweden that ACG exists. You seem to be doing a really fine job there for the Amiga (both with this and the AmigaGBG show).

Respect!

Thank you, we're doing our best -but the AmiGBG show is mostly organized by the AmiGBG usergroup. They were formed solely for the purpose of organizing events, they aren't like a regular usergroup.

When the first show took off, ACGGBG didn't even exist yet :) it was at the second show that we decided to give them a hand, since we seem to have a little excess energy =P

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Oh no, another surprise?

The organisers state that Ben Hermans will give an update there, maybe it's a surprise for people that he will attend the show in Sweden.

BTW Alan's previous speech in Sweden was very successful and interesting, so hopefully Ben can satisfy our now ultra high expections.

I surfed on over to the announcements page, and I noticed it said that Mac OS X would be demonstrated on the AmigaONE motherboard using the MOL software.

If you go to the MOL homepage, they state clearly, running Mac OS X in MOL on non-Mac hardware is a violation of the Mac OS X licensing agreement.

This is called by a lot of people 'piracy' You see, if you didn't pay for a license to run Mac OS X on AmigaONE hardware, then you did it without a license.

I would like for Hyperion Entertainment to clarify whether they are against piracy or in favor of piracy.
Especially if I have to worry about the OS 4 license, and whether I am allowed to run it on non-Amiga hardware.

thanks,
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@ Robert

They are 100% against piracy. But I don't know the laws for Sweden with regard to owning MacOS X and demonstrating the operating system on alternative hardware. In Germany this seems to be no problem as a certain competitor has done this various times already. I doubt that Hyperion will be doing any such Linux/MOL demonstrations themselves however.

Who said we didn't pay for the license? We have a boxed copy of Mac OS X right here, and it will be present at the show.

Btw, it would have been nice if you'd just asked me about it instead of just jumping to conclusions.

And about the EULA. Yes, it states that you can only run it on Apple hardware, however, this would not hold in a Swedish Court of Law, since we've paid for the software and you're allowed to use it on any device you see fit.

Furthermore, Hyperion has NOTHING to do with us showing Mac OS X, it is ACGGBG and AmiGBG that are responsible for this event. Hyperion is our honored guest and speaker at the event.

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@Robert Dupuy/Marktime:

How often do you want to go through this? You already did on Ann. lu and Amiga.org IIRC.

In the EU you can install your legally bought software wherever you want. A paragraph in the EULA stating otherwise does mean nothing here.
If I legally purchase MacOS X, nobody can stop me from installing it on a machine of *my* choice. I wouldn´t expect support from Apple if I ran into problems, but I guess most people are aware of this.

So, please stop this BS.

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Oh no, another surprise?

Maybe this time we will see some new icons...

Damn, the weekend i am working. Too soon to change, aargh. Next time please check with me

About the EULAS, the corporations really is stupid sometimes, claiming that if you open the box you are accepting the license terms, that are IN the box. In Sweden, the general rule is, have you not signed it in ink or made a verbal agreement, its not binding.

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And about the EULA. Yes, it states that you can only run it on Apple hardware, however, this would not hold in a Swedish Court of Law, since we've paid for the software and you're allowed to use it on any device you see fit.

Just because it isn't likely to hold up in court doesn't mean it is right to do it. It is one thing for individuals to break an EULA. It is another thing if corporations, non-profit organizations, shop dealers, etc. break an EULA.

In this case, the MacOS X has absolutely nothing to do with an *Amiga* demonstration. Running Mac software on an Amiga is cute but unnecessary and arguably illegal.

By the way, my personal opinion on IP rights is similar to Dr. Sam Vaknin's at The Demise of Intellectual Property? I just don't see the point of getting into the whole licensing mess when it is so easily avoided (i.e. don't run MOL).

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Why do you think that it isn't right to demonstrate it?
If it wasn't for this demonstration Apple wouldn't have made this sale of a copy of MacOS X. I can't see where's the loss to Apple. I would love that somebody writes an AmigaOnLinux that runs OS4 and that would help to sell millions of copies os OS4... Just a dream

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The reason for the "Apple hardware only" clause in the MacOS X EULA is that Apple sees itself primarily as a hardware company - they sell computers. You need an OS to run their computers, so they sell that too; but to Steve Jobs there is very little difference between MacOS and the chips that it runs on, it's one of the things you need for that Mac you bought to work. Apple has always been big on integration - most "consumer" Macs have had the display built into the machine, and Macs were the first home computers to come with built-in CD-ROMs. The OS is no different. You can buy MacOS X for your older Mac, but that's like buying a CPU card - it's just another upgrade.

So you see, it's a matter of viewpoint - you are seeing one more copy of MacOS being sold, whereas Steve Jobs sees it as one less Mac being sold.

[EDIT: I see that was your first post - welcome to amigaworld! ]

Apple can go ____ themselves; it'd be a change from them ____ing everyone else...

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