'Open source presents a few strong points that other methods doesn't offer.'

'Everything that Open Amiga produces shall be done with the intent of some day including it in the main AmigaOS4 distribution made by Hyperion. '

Is OS4 moving towards being open source?

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Is OS4 moving towards being open source?

I doubt that. My best guess would be the dev team are leaning towards some OS components becoming open-source, or being taken over from an open-source initiative like OpenAmiga. But I don't think Hyperion will give away the Kickstart components.

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OpenAmiga has been around for ages, and this is more just letting people know it exists and how you can help out.

Its more about if you feel there are certain small things missing from OS4.1, you can suggest or work on a project, which may help others and may be added to contribs for OS4.x.

If you have OS4.1 there are bits in it that were done through OpenAmiga projects, such as Filer.

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the problem arrise when we consider the inclusion of the open-source developed part into closed-source-being-sold OS4:
1) license problems
2) roughly speaking: some may not want to pay for the next version of OS4, which gonna have an open-source part developed by them

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@nimrod
There is NO problem with including open-source components in OS4 or any other OS! Open source does not mean you cannot sell it. Open source binaries are never a problem to be included in a closed-source OS (the only possible problem is if you do compile-time linking of open & closed source stuff, but that just means paying attention to the license, e.g. GPL vs LPGPL).

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From Open Amiga info:

Licenses

The preferred license for OpenAmiga software is either to use MPL(Mozilla Public License) or to simply use no license at all (Public Domain with no commercial restrictions). MPL requires that individual source files remain Open Source, but does not require that files linked to it must also be MPL. This means that Hyperion must provide OpenAmiga with changes they do to the individual source files that OpenAmiga has provided but not for files that Hyperion has developed themselves or been provided by some other means. MPL is also the license that was suggested by Hyperion for the OpenAmiga project.

Licenses such as GPL and LPGL should be avoided as much as possible.

Read about MPL here http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.1.txt

Input on this topic is urgently needed, please join the discussion in the forum.

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Nice!

I'm not sure if i am skilled enought, but i'm a good beta tester: maybe i can sign up for such activities? Btw i'm skilled in graphics and i'm working on a new Graphical User Interface. Can i help in something?

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@ChrisH

i meant a 'what if' situation when someone developed an open-source part that became an important feature of OS4 and then must pay for a piece of software containing his/her contribution when, for example, a new version of OS4 is out.

@Spectre660

thanx for clarifying.

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@zerohero

I'd like to contribute but I doubt I'm skilled enough. I have a diploma in computer science, but I haven't really coded for ages since I am in the military for a living.
Could I have more infos on the "job"?
As far as the Amiga world is concerned, I'm currently the official italian maintainer of iBatch.

Best regards

gianluca (aka g0blin)

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@nimrod7
I think there is not _that_ situation where someone who contribute by some piece of work, can ask for "please give me part of the money". For me are big surprise how aos4 and hyperion still alive , and from where money are come. OS4 for now not for real market, but when it will (if), then talks about money can come.

All in all i think everyone who contribute os4 by _real_ software , have a deal/money for. As for example Hanz with his radeonHD drivers (imho). And some other guys.

But be in hope, when you do nothing , just a some small commoditie or something, that you will in the right to ask "please me too want those tasty dollars", its way too much :)

@all
That post from Ssolie just mean, that everyone who want to help to make aos4 better faster, can help. So, those ones who not just talks on forums, but really want help, can contact with Ssolie and talk with him about (and ask any questions).

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@kas1e

i agree (surprise about hyperion/aos4 being alive included), i just always consider extreme cases :)

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I don't think anyone would expect a free copy of OS4 if he/she takes on a project on OpenAmiga as he/she would already know that...

a) the code will be released as open source and
b) it will be suggested for inclusion in OS4

Nothing prevents someone from writting a useful application and ask Hyperion if they'd trade the right to include it with the OS in exchange for a free copy.

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Perhaps that is the way of getting new drivers for new hardware?

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Nothing prevents someone from writting a useful application and ask Hyperion if they'd trade the right to include it with the OS in exchange for a free copy.

If you have a OS4 machine, why would you need a free copy?

If your going to do free coding, why not just stick it up on AmiNet so all can enjoy it?

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How about posting a link to the actual blog for *news* items like this?

I find it quite awkward to be able to search high and low for all these missing source links in news items all the time.

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@eXec

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Perhaps that is the way of getting new drivers for new hardware?

if so, it is a good approach to cover hardware not already covered by the 'official' development team. but it's mostly for small, code-level improvements people have asked for publicly. i imagine your friends at CUSA will probably have a similar mechanism for contributing to the 'commodore OS' effort, although there, hopefully, such contributions will get pushed back upstream to ubuntu (or whatever distro forms the basis of their product). it might be a good idea to suggest this to barry/leo, actually.

@damocles

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If you have a OS4 machine, why would you need a free copy?

good point.

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If your going to do free coding, why not just stick it up on AmiNet so all can enjoy it?

if it's an improvement that can be packaged up, people do. filer, the new icon editor, among others, are regularly posted on os4depot. the beauty behind openamiga.org is that it provides a central place for OS4-related open development work. and it stands a better chance of being picked up by the OS4 developers -- assuming the author doesn't mind -- than random contributions to hyperion email addresses.

it's also an easy way for non-developers to help out on bite-size projects that help the amiga experience get better and better. everyone wins.

@Deniil715

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How about posting a link to the actual blog for *news* items like this? I find it quite awkward to be able to search high and low for all these missing source links in news items all the time.

agreed. for folks sharing news, please include source links. the source of this news item is a blog post on hyperion's public blog.

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Btw i'm skilled in graphics and i'm working on a new Graphical User Interface. Can i help in something?

Maybe you could write new gadget classes ?

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Finally Open source. About time.

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i imagine your friends at CUSA will probably have a similar mechanism for contributing to the 'commodore OS' effort,

My friends there will probably be faster on the V5 of their OS, on their
actual hardware than your friends on V4.5 on foreign, few thousand euro
one (if it ever comes out)... Hopefully it will. I want it to come out. Sooner
that better. I want to see it fully functional with killer applications and approving
such price.

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@eXec

i think you're reading hostility where there was none. remember your 'friends at CUSA' are my friends, too.

i was just pointing out that open development on OS4 is a good idea, and, since CUSA's OS will be linux-based, i would imagine they would have a similar mechanism.

-- eliyahu

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