I have edited this thread quite heavily, and I expect everyone of you will behave as adults from now on. Sincere criticism is OK, being childish and rude is not.

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I am not discussing Commodore USA with you, I am asking why the amiga-community's behavior is accepted towards them but not the other way around?

As far as I'm aware, we don't tollerate anybody spreading lies and mis-information on here, and I don't think we should allow C=USA to get away with it just because someone in the past may have.

Also, I'm not aware of any of the other "factions" attempting to pass off Linux as their own work. I'm also not aware of any of the other "factions" threatening members via email or PMs, posting fake production photographs or posting an everlasting stream of vapourware in these forums. Just a couple of days ago we were shown a Commodore Amiga in a box, which was just another example of horrible photoshopping on an empty box. You honestly think anyone else would get away with this?

Quite frankly, I'm not looking forward to this place becoming a Linux help-site as C=USA Amiga owners desperate attempt to get help once they discover that the C=USA helpline is just for taking new orders and not supporting old ones.

Until now, only the Commodore name has been dragged through the mud, but now we see the Amiga name getting the same treatment.

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Hi Everyone!

Are they for real? Oh wow. The only question I would have is can you fit a Sam board in that case?

Yogi

P.S. They are shipping my AmigaOne 500 and I am really excited!

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+1 and get my comment back

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I like the case too. I might even buy two of them from the original manufacturer for $64 each.

The whole range of cases from the distributer (not sure if this guy actually manufactures them or is another middle-man) looks nice:

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/5/2/itx2

Might be nice for a FPGA Arcade or Efika, but for anything else I'd like to have some serious space for internal expansion and a bloody big graphics card.

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These so called new Amiga's are not Amiga's until they can run some form of a Amiga inspired os. This can be either arose morph os Amiga os4x hell even amithlon. X86 hardware in a fancy case with commodore Amiga logo running Linux is a insult to the original Amiga . Amiga should be innovative with new ideas. Natami springs to mind. X86 maybe fast and cheap but dam it is getting boring now. Even raspberry pi is more interesting than an i7 motherboard.

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+1 and get my comment back

Thanks and "No".

Actually, I never even had a chance to read your comment, but I'm sure it has gone for a reason.

Seriously folks, I know this is going to be a hot topic (and I can feel my blood pressure elevating), but please let us try and keep it "civil" and try and use phrases like "I do not belive your parents were married" rather than calling someone a "bastard", if you get my drift.

Thanks.

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Okay It was not so different to your option anyway.

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As far as I'm aware, we don't tollerate anybody spreading lies and mis-information on here, and I don't think we should allow C=USA to get away with it just because someone in the past may have.

There were no lies or mis-information in this news item, as far as I know.

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Also, I'm not aware of any of the other "factions" attempting to pass off Linux as their own work.

Linux is free, you're allowed to do what Commodore USA did with it.

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I'm also not aware of any of the other "factions" threatening members via email or PMs, posting fake production photographs or posting an everlasting stream of vapourware in these forums.

You haven't been here long, have you?

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You honestly think anyone else would get away with this?

I know others have gotten away with it.

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Quite frankly, I'm not looking forward to this place becoming a Linux help-site as C=USA Amiga owners desperate attempt to get help once they discover that the C=USA helpline is just for taking new orders and not supporting old ones.

If they post in their own forum, which at the moment is off the front page, I see no problem with it.

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Until now, only the Commodore name has been dragged through the mud, but now we see the Amiga name getting the same treatment.

This site isn't really the battleground for this, is it? And even if it was I'd expect everyone to treat each other with respect.

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These so called new Amiga's are not Amiga's until they can run some form of a Amiga inspired os. This can be either arose morph os Amiga os4x hell even amithlon. X86 hardware in a fancy case with commodore Amiga logo running Linux is a insult to the original Amiga . Amiga should be innovative with new ideas. Natami springs to mind. X86 maybe fast and cheap but dam it is getting boring now. Even raspberry pi is more interesting than an i7 motherboard.

In my humble opinion, if someone was going to make a PC and stick an Amiga badge on it the the correct way to go about it would be to go back a few years and resurrect Amithlon or AmigaXL and develop onwards from there. I'd like to see old Bernie finally get some cash for his work and there must be some spare change in that $30,000,000 advertising budget we were told about to pay for it.

I can't say I'm bored with the i7 yet. I just bought a new i7 laptop to replace the old one. A nice HP in silver, i7 2670QM @ 2.2GHz, 8GB RAM, Radeon HD 7690M XT with 2GB RAM, 2 x 1TB hard drives, BluRay/DVD+RW, 17.1" 1920x1080 display, the usual wireless/bluetooth/fingerprint reader/webcam, etc... all for $1500

Mind you, I'll have to install my copy of AmigaForever.

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@ ZeroHero

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There were no lies or mis-information in this news item, as far as I know.

But there certainly has been in the past and that's relevant.

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Linux is free, you're allowed to do what Commodore USA did with it.

What, mislead people into thinking it is something else? I don't think so. There are plenty of people asking question about what CommodoreOS is because it isn't exactly spelt out to them, which is a deliberate act in order to try and "add value" to the product. A value that isn't there.

Think back to the C64x days when everyone was promised a a copy of the new "AmigaOS"/"CommodoreOS"/"Workbench5" as soon as it was ready. A deliberate ploy to make people think that they were paying for and getting a new OS. I bet they wouldn't have been impressed with the note "We'll ship you a copy of free Linux Mint as soon as we've worked out how to add some Amiga wallpaper to it".

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You haven't been here long, have you?

Long enough to get threatening emails and PMs.

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If they post in their own forum, which at the moment is off the front page, I see no problem with it.

Out of sight, out of mind. I'd prefer them out of "site" mind you.

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This site isn't really the battleground for this, is it? And even if it was I'd expect everyone to treat each other with respect.

Agreed. I think everyone should just stick to pointing out the good bits and the bad bits of these "new machines", although the market confusion caused and the excessive markup tends to distract from anything else.

Pointing out the danger of pre-ordering from a company that engages in some serious "smoke and mirrors" games is certainly valid.

The sooner this thread drops of the news page then the quieter things will be.

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As much as some of us hate to see them we have to understand one thing. People WILL buy this. Why?

Well nostalgia is one thing. People looking for something 'unique' is another. Maybe even people who have far too much money that they don't know what to do with it all. But people will buy it. And enough people will buy it to make it worthwhile enough for Commodore USA to continue for a while.

Commodore Gaming survived for a while but eventually they died due to poor products and over pricing. I can't help but feel a bit of Déjà vu in all this.

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I too fail to see how they can continue in the long run without adopting the sales plan of other existing PC makes which is to sell lots and lots of cheap machines. There's only an extremely limited market for high-cost computers, especially ones that have equivalents and less than half the price.

Personally, I smell a "franchise" in the making where the real income will be from convincing others to open their own Commodore outlets and sell the machines instead. When the market collapses you just pull the plug and move onto something else, leaving the shop owners to file Chapter 11.

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@zerohero

This thread is about the release of the Commodore Amiga by CUSA.

There is no need to bring Hyperion or Aros into this thread, please stay on topic.

If you wish to purchase the product then that is up to you but please do not try suppress other people's opinions.

Thank you.

Nostalgia is a powerful tool. And it will help to shift a few machines. Enough to keep them sustained I don't know. Also I don't understand franchising enough to fully grasp how it benefits them.

I also understand what Number6 is talking about. They obviously need to pay for licensing and such. But if they are shifting as many machines as they hint then do they really need to have such large prices. But I again don't know enough to fully understand it all. I thought the license fee on each machine could be smaller if they were selling so many.

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CUSA engraving got me thinking (and Google searching). With a color laser engraving machine, you can do some crazy cool stuff. I think I might engrave a red and white boing ball on my Acer!

Here's a place fairly close to us (me and AmigaDave that is)...
http://www.fusionofideas.com/digitaltechtoo-color

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I thought the license fee on each machine could be smaller if they were selling so many.

No. It's based on sales price according to Barry.

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I completely dense when it come to this. So is that sale price per unit?

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I completely dense when it come to this. So is that sale price per unit?

It means that the license/royalty fee is not the same on a less expensive model as it is for an expensive model.

But keep in mind, most statements made concerning this were before the lawsuit was filed between those fighting for control of the Commodore parent company.
Things may have changed.

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