They really are a piece of work I must say
Hmm...I really am out of words on this one
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This is not an Amiga! WTF?!!??
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This is not an Amiga! WTF?!!??

You can save yourself a lot of stress by accepting that Commodore Amiga series is returning this year via C=USA. Yes, it's x86 and not 68K, but time waits for no man and going x86 was the only real option at this point in time. ARM's time maybe coming as well.

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lowering price by a considerable amount another they after announcement is really ridiculous. will not contribute to the marketing strategy they have nor consumer confidence in the company. but are they to blame? practices like these this scene is famous for, i have the feeling. no wonder there are copycats.

@Spammy

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You can save yourself a lot of stress by accepting that Commodore Amiga series is returning this year via C=USA

You can save yourself a lot of stress by realising that these things do not run AmigaOS so therefore are not Amigas.

Just buying an obsolete C= name and putting a sticker on something completely different does not change what it is - or more to the point isn't !

@ Dammy

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You can save yourself a lot of stress by accepting that Commodore Amiga series is returning this year via C=USA. Yes, it's x86 and not 68K, but time waits for no man and going x86 was the only real option at this point in time. ARM's time maybe coming as well.

I'd like to know why you are allowed to post lies and misinformation here...

The Commodore Amiga Series is not returning this year via CUSA

Commodore no longer exists... FACT

The Amiga series in no longer in production... FACT

If you are talking about the Commodore USA LLC off the shelf part PC's, running a free Amiga emulator under a free OS (Linux) which CUSA has labelled as a new OS called "Vision" in an non custom case that can be purchased from places like ebay, then have the decency to say so...

Stop using the name Commodore which Commodore USA LLC is not and stop using the name Amiga to describe these things as they are not Amiga's and never will be...

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@thread Interesting to read the estimates on what everyone thinks pricing -should- be, but could anyone plug in the 2 obvious missing expenses? (1)Licensing/royalty per unit owed either Asiarim or Commodore Holdings Corporation (depending on outcome of their lawsuit and which of those two CUSA is currently negotiating with) and... (2)Licensing/royalty per unit owed either Itec LLC. (John Grzymala as executor of Pentti Kouri's estate) or Amiga Inc. as case may be. #6

What you have said doesn't apply either legally...

I have explained this numerous times before but here goes again (I'll keep it short)...

All of the above companies and names you mention can easily be challenged in court over most of the who owns what Commodore trademarks & IP's if someone is willing to spend the money and hire a half decent legal team...

From the day Commodore went belly up and almost all of the legal proceedings and judgements that have been passed, many of them were adjudicated in favour of one party or the other wrongfully and illegally...

Why... for numerous reasons that can all be found if your seek out and trawl through all the court case released documents, which show amongst a few things...

Judgments being passed when not all the facts were presented and in some cases deliberately so... making the judgement flawed and with no legal standing...

Timelines to present cases being missed and being "extended" by the sitting judge that actually went beyond the legal extension time limit, again making any judgement in that case flawed and with no legal standing...

There are numerous other "errors & omissions" that were made in many of these proceedings that any half decent legal team could pick apart which would throw virtually everyone involved in most of these legal proceeding cases out of the window...

So really there is nothing to stop anyone using the Commodore or Amiga names if they choose and fighting it out in court should they be challenged by any of the player you mentioned, for the reasons I have explained which makes most of their claims to a lot of the Commodore IP null & void...

It's all out there in the public domain for all to see and read, not saying it's easy to follow or understand for everyone but the "flaws" are there to see if you look...

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What you have said doesn't apply either legally...

No clue what you're getting at here.

Settlements have been the result of most, if not all, contentions made in Commodore and Amigaland. Companies "test" these settlements, which in effect is the challenge to law of which you speak. That's how it's done in the real world. Rich Lawrence went to some lengths to have Denise Howell explain that on an episode of AmigaRoundTable, in terms we could all understand.

I understand you're not happy with that reality, but that does not -change- the reality.

Anyway, my post was obviously about a real cost (licensing/royalties) involved in a project that had been blissfully ignored, along with so many other costs never mentioned.

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It was many links you posted that got me interested in that subject and after going through them all and doing further research myself it was even apparent to me there were many irregularities in some of these "judgements"...

Then through my little run in with Cloanto which led to talks with my solicitor who found the entire subject quite interesting, he did some research himself along with his partners and they showed me clearly lots of "irregularities" and "wrongful judgements" that were made in quite a number of these proceedings, which can clearly be challenged...

It's no skin off my nose, as I aint going to waste my money challenging them but the fact remains many of those judgements can be challenged (with a very good chance of success) for anyone who may wish to do so...

No matter what those who have already taken part and have a vested interest might claim...

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You can save yourself a lot of stress by realising that these things do not run AmigaOS so therefore are not Amigas. Just buying an obsolete C= name and putting a sticker on something completely different does not change what it is - or more to the point isn't !

You can keep saying that to the mirror all you want, not going to change the fact that there is a new Commodore Amiga series coming out. If you don't like it, why bother posting about it?

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I'd like to know why you are allowed to post lies and misinformation here...

I didn't, you are just delusional on what is real and what isn't. Commodore exist (nice court battle last December over it with a judge ruling who owns it) and licensed as well as Amiga stuff. That cleared the way for new Commodore Amiga series to be produced and as such, is currently in the production pipeline. If you don't like the reality of it all, that's just too bad.

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CUSA defines Amiga different than most people in the amiga community. People outside the community only see it as a normal PC with Linux preinstalled and compare prices and do not buy it. Linux fans are technicians and know the prices even better. And the average me-too user prefers to use Windows and buys the cheapest price. PCs that are sold here for private user are around 500 EUR that are about 650 Dollar. So I really do not see whom they want to sell their computer. And what is special about it compared to other PCs.

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I didn't, you are just delusional on what is real and what isn't. Commodore exist (nice court battle last December over it with a judge ruling who owns it) and licensed as well as Amiga stuff. That cleared the way for new Commodore Amiga series to be produced and as such, is currently in the production pipeline. If you don't like the reality of it all, that's just too bad.

No delusions here mate...

Commodore may or may not exist but Commodore USA LLC are not Commodore, they merely hold a licence to use the Commodore name...

So trying to pass these off as being the next machines produced by Commodore is deceitful and very likely against the trading standard laws here in the UK (which I'm currently having checked out and waiting for an answer on)...

As the events of the past couple of days have shown the public aren't buying into this deceit either with almost 80% of all comments posted on all the tech review sites that carried the CUSA press release being overwhelmingly negative...

Happily it's not just the public but the tech review site are now seeing through CUSA too and reporting it as such...

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/amiga-mini-high-end-pc-wants-to-relive-commodore-glory-days-50007414/

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Commodore exist (nice court battle last December over it with a judge ruling who owns it) and licensed as well as Amiga stuff. That cleared the way for new Commodore Amiga series to be produced and as such, is currently in the production pipeline.

I have not seen any documents indicating the lawsuit of Commodore Holdings Corporation vs Asiarim has been settled. Link?

nothing here

nothing here either

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not going to change the "fact" that there is a new Commodore Amiga series coming out.

Youu can keep saying that to the mirror all you want, it is not going to change the fact that these Linux boxes C-USA are selling are simply not Amigas in any shape or form.

When I go to a restaurant and order a steak, I expect steak not spam !

I would certainly send the latter back and demand an apology, refund and compensation for the serious breach of advertising standards.


Likewise if I were to buy something called an Amiga I expect it to run some form of AmigaOS and not a Gnome wrapper for Linux.

I would certainly send the latter back and demand an apology, refund and compensation for the serious breach of advertising standards.

Im often surprised at the costs people quote for hardware here. Surely Australia isnt that much cheaper than other places? (in fact Im surprised, and dubious that it is) I can buy an i7-2600k for $289 from my local computer shop, proportionally a fair difference from the $340 that someone in this thread (cant recall who, its a long thread :)) apparently rsearched while looking for the best prices. Other hardware that makes up these new Linux boxes is proportionally similarly cheaper.

All in all though it just makes these linux boxes all the more expensive again.

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I didn't, you are just delusional on what is real and what isn't.

Coming from you and your fake rip offs of the real thing, I had to laugh.

Talk about pots, kettles and black.

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There is a fried egg on top of it!

Is it photoshopped (hehe the irony!) or real?

If it's real then it really gets too hot in there!

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