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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaOS 4
   posted by TrevorDick on 24-Jun-2012 11:24:28 (30936 reads)
Over the Rainbow

Cardiff, 25th June 2012

A-EON Technology is pleased to announce that it has signed a new development agreement with premier AmigaOS graphics specialist Hans de Ruiter which ensures the future compatibility of AmigaOS 4 with the latest RadeonHD graphics cards. In addition to the HD4000 (R700) graphics drivers released with the AmigaONE X1000 “First Contact” system, we have now contracted Hans to create a series of drivers for the RadeonHD family. This also includes support for Evergreen, Northern Islands and the recently released Southern Islands HD7000 series. These new drivers, which are exclusively licensed to A-EON Technology, will support the X1300-1950, 5000, 6000 & 7000 series RadeonHD graphics cards and provide AmigaOS 4 with access to the latest in graphic card technology.


Trevor Dickinson commented, “This is a major boost for the AmigaOS and is the first time that these modern graphics cards have been supported on non x86 systems. Hans has already released several updates to his RadeonHD driver and support for Evergreen and Northern Islands cards is already up to the standard of the R700 drivers released with the AmigaONE X1000. He has also made excellent progress with drivers for AMD's Southern Islands cards. Hans de Ruiter replied, "I was initially disappointed when supply of Radeon HD 4000 series became scarce but now I'm proud of what has been achieved. The RadeonHD driver once again supports some of the latest cards available." His comments were echoed by a long time AmigaOS 4 developer and A1-X1000 beta tester who stated, "Looks like OS4 won't have to worry about availability of compatible graphics cards anytime soon". We can only agree.

The AMD RadeonHD series to be supported include:-

X1300-1950 - R520 chipset
HD4000 - R700 series
HD5000 - Evergreen series – first released in September 2009
HD6000 - Northern Island series – first released in October 2010
HD7000 - Southern Island series – latest RadeonHD cards released in January 2012

Although the RadeonHD driver is exclusively licensed to A-EON Technology for AmigaOS 4, owners of ACube's "Next Generation Amiga" systems need not despair. They will be able to purchase RadeonHD driver updates via the A-EON Technology website for their Sam460 and AmigaOne 500 systems. AmigaKit will also be offering RadeonHD graphics cards and driver bundles. Please visit the AmigaKit website for more details. Customers who purchase the new driver will qualify for free upgrades, up to and including version 1.0 of the RadeonHD driver. Registered AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" customers will be able download driver updates free of charge from the A-EON Technology website.

About Hans de Ruiter & HDRLab: Hans de Ruiter is an electrical & electronic engineer and leading AmigaOS developer and Amiga enthusiast. His website - HDRLab - details various projects, many of which are AmigaOS related. The biggest of these is the RadeonHD driver for AmigaOS, an ambitious project that aims to deliver modern graphics capabilities for the AmigaOS platform.

About AmigaOS: The AmigaOS dates back to 1985 with the introduction of the landmark Amiga 1000. Today, under the guidance and control of Hyperion Entertainment, AmigaOS has evolved into a modern operating system without losing that intrinsic "Amiga" look and feel.

About the AmigaONE X1000: The AmigaONE X1000 is not like other computers. It is a culmination of efforts by real Amiga enthusiasts and developers to create powerful, modern desktop hardware for the AmigaOS. It is the natural evolution of the Amiga's PowerPC lineage and is based on the PA-Semi Dual-core PA6T-1682M CPU and includes Xena, a "Software Defined Silicon" co-processor. Above all it runs the latest version of the AmigaOS.

AboutAmigaKit: AmigaKit is a trading division of Leaman Computing Ltd based in Cardiff, UK. It acquired the stock of Eyetech Group Ltd in 2006 and quickly established itself as a world-wide market leader in the retail and distribution of Amiga hardware and software. A-EON Technology appointed AmigaKit as its primary distributor for all its AmigaONE products.

Web links:

HDR Labs - http://hdrlab.org.nz/
A-EON Technology - http://www.a-eon.com/
AmigaKit - http://ww.amigakit.com/
AmigaOS - http://www.amigaos.net/
AMD RadeonHD - http://www.amd.com/
    

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Re: A-EON Technology secures graphic card support for AmigaO
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@ fishy_fis

We still have not heard for Acube on the issue.

Its all about how you build the cost into the sales price .
If they have problems finding Radeon HD 4000 series cards too then will have
to add the new driver to their Sam offerings.


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the problem is not trevor, acube, aeon or amigakit or what they do. the problem is rather that apparently essential components of the system which is closed source are being yet out sourced to the third party. this will become a mess of availablility issues, cross responsibilities, licensing, who pays for what, and it all being closed source, such a third party can just fold and disappear leaving the system without such a vital component again.

good thing is that the above mentioned radeonhd drivers are not actually that essential, because one is still better off with an old radeon9xxx. so actually the whole story can just be easily skipped as non-issue, neither in positive nor negative respect.

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From this thread it seems:
- some people are happy to pay for advancement
- some people might be happy if they can pay for AOS4 not to advance
- some would want everything for free (and there is no such thing as "free")


Damn, I might pay even if I can not use the driver at the moment. (I paid for CGX4.1 but I think I never installed it)


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@_Steve_ Quote:
When did the Amiga community become such a bunch of whingers?

What, you only just noticed? Although it sadly seems the case that many users can't even read, or wait for clarification before jumping to the wrong conclusion. I am really puzzled by some people's reaction:

The (v0.32) drivers used by the Sam460, for any Radeon HD 4xxx card they bought with their machine, are I think *complete* and working fine. They have not suddenly stopped working! And I believe that Sam460 owners will get Gallium 3D with AmigaOS4.2, just like everyone else.

If A-Eon had not paid for these drivers for newer Radeon HD (5xxx & above) cards, then presumably we would not get any at all. So we should be thanking A-Eon.

If you want to complain to anyone, then presumably that would be ACube... except I have yet to hear of any problems with the current Radeon HD 4xxx support that would justify such a complaint. (djrikki's Sam460 complaint seems to be an isolated incident that he is not prepared to investigate.)

AFAICS, the people complaining are not making any coherant sense, and are jumping to the wrong conclusions.

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@KimmoK

Quote:
some people might be happy if they can pay for AOS4 not to advance


Good one!

I must realy admire great interest of some people from non-OS4 factions in this news, their covert hatred makes my dark side happy.


I understand anyone wants full support for his computer (eg. SAM460) without additional cost. However, 28 GBP is not that much money, it is equal to price of some newer PC game.

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@Trevordick:

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Just to clarify, I am not a director of AmigaKit and have no owership in that company.

Oh come on, are you taking PR lessons from ben Hermans now?

Matthew Leaman is the director of both A-EON and Amigakit.

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Ok, my 2cts...

I'm happy that modern GFX drivers are being done,even at a cost.
But.... I already paid an arm and a leg for the hardware, and paid quite a bit for the OS itself, and now I must pay extra for GFX drivers because I didnt buy an AEON machine ?
Also, what's next ? Pay for sound drivers, IDE drivers and so on ? Could be quite an extra sum of money.

Pay for an OS component that is developed by a third party ? Fine ! That lower the price of the OS itself !!

Again, I dont have an issue with paying if we might get better drivers this way, but the concept it quite absurd if you ask me.

bleh....


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BTW Hans website contains some information about using RadeonHD in machines other than X1000 and SAM.

http://www.hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-card-recommendations-for-amigaos-4-x/

For what its worth I tried a PowerColor PCI 4350 in my Mediator TX to see if it would show up with PCI scan, and it doesn't.
The Bridge on the Card does but nothing behind it.

I also tried the Same Powercolor PCI 4350 in my PEG2 and XE and UBoot / OF would not display on it. So I guess like the OS4.1 kernel and the Mediator it can't configure the card because of the type of pcibridge used on it.

So I'd suggest people read the info on Hans website and diggest it carefully before buying a PCI RadeonHD card and buying the Driver then flaming A-EON / Hans because the firmware on older PCI hardware doesn't support it.

As an X1000 owner I'm glad I get this for free but would have quite happily of purchased it.


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But.... I already paid an arm and a leg for the hardware, and paid quite a bit for the OS itself, and now I must pay extra for GFX drivers because I didnt buy an AEON machine ?


No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube. What is being offered for sale now are drivers for new, more expensive cards that you don't have. If you'd like to use one of those cards in your Sam460, there is now a driver available for sale for it. but you'll have to buy the new (and not cheap) card to even need it. These drivers did not even exist before, but they exist or are being created now because A-Eon is funding their creation.

There's no reason for you to buy the driver unless you buy a new card. Until yesterday, you didn't even know there was the possibility of using one of the new cards. The new drivers are being created at some expense and effort. Part of that development cost has already been paid for by X1000 owners, who have also paid for an OS4.2 license. Sam460 owners have not paid for an OS4.2 license.


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As an X1000 owner I'm glad I get this for free but would have quite happily of purchased it.


I know how you feel and agree. But you did already pay for it, so feel good about that.


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@mbrantley Quote:
No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube. What is being offered for sale now are drivers for new, more expensive cards that you don't have.

Quoted For Truth, because you are one of the few people who are actually making sense.


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Good news! I will buy the driver asap. Any recomendations abt what card to buy when its possible? Thanks to all ppl involved!! A big step forward!

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I've had my say and dont really care to drone on it, but the references to the new driver being for "more expensive cards", or "cards costing hundreds of dollars", etc. (actual quotes) is a little bit misleading. Radeon 5xxxHD cards can be picked up for $30 brand new, and 6xxxHD cards for under $40 (both cheaper than the driver :))

I could go on to say the whole feigned, "head in the sand, nothing is wrong here" mentality is somewhat unusual (at least some people are voicing their discontent), but I wont :P
Nothing wrong with being nonchalant, but feigned nonchalance is a bit weird.

edit: typos

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@JurassicC

The driver should work on Sam440ep models using a PCI version of the Radeon HD Cards
or the right PCIE to PCI adpater and a PCIE card. Works well for non 3D apps and Video playback. I have tested with PCIE 4350,4670 and 4850 cards with previous versions of the Driver .

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Radeon 5xxxHD cards can be picked up for $30 brand new, and 6xxxHD cards for under $40 (both cheaper than the driver :))


I'd like to shop where you shop!


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'No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube. What is being offered for sale now are drivers for new, more expensive cards that you don't have'

Quoted For Truth, because you are one of the few people who are actually making sense.


I think A-Eon or Amigakit should officially update the news item spelling this out. This would have avoided alot of confusion straight from the initial announcement IMHO.


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how well is this driver working with the best avaible gfx card in an amiga one micro..

i am thinking about getting an gfx card to my amiga one micro and some more memory..
use it until i can afort an high end. or should i just sell it as it is now.i am going to the netbook no mater what..

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@mbrantley

Most shops will offer similar prices, but I quoted prices from msy.com.au if you'd care to take a look for yourself.

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Most shops will offer similar prices, but I quoted prices from msy.com.au if you'd care to take a look for yourself.


Pretty darned good. I gotta look at places other than Amazon and Newegg next time I buy something.

But I still think Hans needs to get paid.


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@mbrantley:

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No, you don't have to pay for anything. You already have a driver for your 4000 series card that was funded by the money you paid ACube.

A driver that doesn't do overlay or 3D - I'm not sure if all 2D operations are hardware accelerated by now? (I remember a status report claiming "full 2D acceleration" on some cards and "2d acceleration" on others)

I wasn't interested in buying a Sam460,so I didn't follow all the PR too closely. But if either ACube's advertising for their hardware or Hyperion's PR for 4.1 gave buyers the impression that proper support for some Radeon HD models would be included, I'd understand if people don't like this turn of events - the current state of the driver certainly wouldn't match my definition of "proper".

But this should be discussed in a seperate thread, as it's not A-Eon's fault. I'm just wondering if these parties are still talking to each other at all? The way things are communicated is a mess that leaves you wondering who's going to sue whom next. But hey, at least the hardware is cheap.

Oh, wait...

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