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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 22-Jun-2006 22:38:57
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*shrug*

Agreed. (1st time I've agreed with a *shrug* btw)

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If the "deal" is confirmed, why didn't they release that as a news item yet?

That's why I'm scratching my head too.

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And even more important: Who will buy them and what would they cost?

Hence my comment about the former network of dealers.

I see your *shrug* and raise you a *dunno*.

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 22-Jun-2006 22:41:37
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I'll see your "dunno" and raise you a "possible explanation"

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adiaux 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 22-Jun-2006 22:49:05
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@-Sam-

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@Bobsonsirjonny

This all being the case - who is going to die first? Hyperion or AInc?

Crazy, crazy situation. If only they could come to a mutual agreement as the alternative is failure for both parties.


I don't think Amiga Inc will die. They seem to be pretty much in hibernation mode. Since they have managed to "survive" this far, I think it is pretty obvious that they have parked the company at a free parking spot, and has no costs or obligations that may risk threatening that balance. I think they can remain in this state forever.

Maybe Hyperion is moving towards a state like this as well? Like the "MorphOS team" perhaps - considering it to be a hobby project, working on it in their spare time without any financial demands, mostly for fun, while waiting and seeing what may happen in the future?

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 22-Jun-2006 22:53:57
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all these people wanting to buy HW and amigaos4 NOW but where were these sceptical several years ago, when AmigaInc launched their voucher and I am Amiga club and their poll about how many amigans were still alive ???

you missed the boat and are complaining NOW when it might be too late.

dont forget Hyperion team does not exclusively work on os4.0, they have to make their customer happy (remember the deal with Smiths areospace on february this year).

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
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all these people wanting to buy HW and amigaos4 NOW but where were these sceptical several years ago, when AmigaInc launched their voucher and I am Amiga club and their poll about how many amigans were still alive ???


Are you really mocking those who did *not* jump on the AmigaInc coupon thing? (If so, that would be truly hilarious )

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you missed the boat and are complaining NOW when it might be too late.


So it's the potential customers fault that the A1 experiment turned out to be a one-time only hit and run, with no sustainable evolution, and no ability to satisfy a basic demand? Is this really your idea of a desireable future path, something to be happy about? A one time chance, and "you have yourselves to blame if you didn't act in time"? Where is the future in that?

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dont forget Hyperion team does not exclusively work on os4.0, they have to make their customer happy (remember the deal with Smiths areospace on february this year).


Eh yes, I'm sure that graphic driver thing to that customer will probably keep the whole company alive and kicking for years to come ...

(Please note - sure, I'm happy that Hyperion got a job for Smith's, and I hope they get some money, but perhaps we shouldn't exaggerate the strategic importance of this?)

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I think they can remain in this state forever.


Well it's over then.

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
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@lionstorm

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you missed the boat and are complaining NOW when it might be too late.


Eh? OS4 wasn't available to buy. No-one missed any 'boat'.

It is totally unfair and unjust to attack potential customers for not buying an unfinished product.

The $50 voucher thing was a potentially okay idea that was twisted into a quick money grab.

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dont forget Hyperion team does not exclusively work on os4.0


Yeah. They have to do that because they can hardly rely on OS4 can they!?

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
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AROS is free and is available on cheap fast hardware. It's nearly at the level of OS4 pre1.

I do not agree. In my experience it was not even at the level of os3.1. The OS itself is pretty good, but severely lack drivers, native software and such which makes it pretty unusable for the average user. Aros seems to be aimed at any hardware, which makes it work only so so due to lack of real drivers for supporting the hardware. Is there actually any gfx card that works with Aros without using vesa driver at all yet?

My personal opinion is that Aros is atleast many years from having decent support for hardware and also have a selection of native software. I doubt this will change unless the aros team instead concentrates on fully supporting just a handfull of boards instead of trying to get halfway support for most.

Fully supporting a cheap itx board could be a good start in my opinion. Though you still need a bit bigger software library for people to actually considering to buy new hardware.

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Plaz 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 1:28:42
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@Seer

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I don't mean to pick on Ikir, but if I hear something like this one more time, I'm going to barf all over the thread.

Really ?
Cool....
Eh..

Wait and see. Some good news are coming in the next few months.



You just had to go there didn't you?

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
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@Tomas

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Is there actually any gfx card that works with Aros without using vesa driver at all yet?


Radeon.

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My personal opinion is that Aros is atleast many years from having decent support for hardware


It runs on cheap, powerful x86 hardware.

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unless the aros team instead concentrates on fully supporting just a handfull of boards instead of trying to get halfway support for most.


Good point.

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Fully supporting a cheap itx board could be a good start in my opinion.


I agree.

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itix 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 2:10:01
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Ok imagine this. You are the developers of OS4, would you continue with its developement if you didn't know that hardware was coming for it to run on?


I would. I dont care is there more Pegasos or not. If it is fun I keep developing... naysayers can go to hell. If someone says MorphOS is dead it is his problem, not mine.

If I was OS4 developer I wouldnt stop... but hey, I'm sort of Amiga junkie. It is crystal clear to Hyperion that OS4 is commercially dead but there is nothing to lose anymore. OS4 is just a hobby project.

If Hyperion invested 500000e on OS4 project it is very unlikely they could get their money back anymore... the window closed in 2001.

(I'm still looking for 68k release of RoadShow and pondering will it sell more than 0 copies...)

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itix 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 2:21:20
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@Tomas

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In my experience it was not even at the level of os3.1.


"Level" of "OS" is not important. MorphOS doesnt provide all 3.5/3.9 API extensions but it was never important. GUI toolkit compatibility (Zune) and application support (i.e. none) is more important. I.e. AROS provides functionality and functions not available in OS 3 while 3.5/3.9 functionality isnt there (mostly).

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Is there actually any gfx card that works with Aros without using vesa driver at all yet?


Although I'm not AROS fan per se (I only find it interesting from developer POV) there is Radeon driver. Not optimal but it provides (limited) HW acceleration. Compared to real Amiga AROS provides better HW support.

What AROS lacks is software (i.e. nothing, again).

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Edited.

Last edited by itix on 23-Jun-2006 at 08:41 AM.

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 5:53:43
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@itix

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Although I'm not AROS fan per se (I only find it interesting from developer POV) there is Radeon driver. Not optimal but it provides (limited) HW acceleration.


Don't forget that there is a NVIDIA 2D accelerated driver too

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Posted on 23-Jun-2006 6:41:49
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@-Sam-

It is totally unfair and unjust to attack potential customers for not buying an unfinished product.

Not to mention that the first run Eyetech themselves said not to buy if you didn't want the hassle with beta products.

And IIRC, they sold out all A1 boards right ? So.. How would not having bought one add to the "nothing being available now" anyway.. If they made 2000 boards and sold all of them and can't make any more to sell..

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 7:12:11
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@lionstorm

So, anyone who didn't get scammed by Amiga Inc. missed the boat? Get a grip on reality.

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mskov 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 8:16:45
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Well, we've seen the OS4 contract, it's floating around the net (and has been confirmed to be the real one, although a bit out of date) by ACK.


Where? I wouldn't mind a look...

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mskov 
Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 8:18:28
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@Bobsonsirjonny

Didn't we - at one point - talk about Amiga's right to buy back OS4 from Hyperion for a agreed sum?

This could also be a factor.

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Re: More than halfway through the year and still no H/W
Posted on 23-Jun-2006 9:51:03
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@SvenHarvey

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Almost all the money from the sale of AmigaOne boards got invested by Eyetech in OS4 to get it into development in the first place, and the rest plus further money was used to get the last batch of boards made that Eyetech either didn't recieve or can't sell. Thats as much as I know. Eyetech made no money on the A1 partnership in the end and lost considerble amounts due to Amiga, Inc. not doing as agreed (but that was the old Amiga Inc. before it went under and bought out by KMOS writing off all its debts and cancelling all contracts...)


I'm sorry but this is untrue. Eyetech paid for the copies of OS 4 that they sold together with their hardware, and that's it. Almost the entire rest of the development was funded by Hyperion alone.

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At the moment I do not believe there will be any new Amiga specific hardware.


All I can say on this topic is what I hear from those companies; if Troika and ACK where scams, then they would tell the same lies to me personally, which I don't really think. That would mean that new hardware IS being worked on.

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Posted on 23-Jun-2006 9:56:45
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@polka.

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This isn't comparable to what Hyperion did. They started OS4-development with the Teron/A1s in mind. They wouldn't have started development for "non existent hardware".


That is actually untrue. We started on classic hardware, when we still thought that Escena would ever deliver anything. MAI and the Teron/AmigaOne hardware came into the picture only later in the game.

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It's just that the decision to pick Mai-boards turned out to be a bad choice.


Hyperion didn't pick them; Eyetech did. They where the partner for hardware. In retrospect, the only bad thing about that was that there is no more production of them, but as usual, it's easy to see that now.

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