@Hondo (but it goes also fro MobbyG)

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First of all I really think you are an a##hole here, who shows no empathy against the hardest thing a human being can experience!

That's a good start, calling me asshole there. No, I don't mind. This is Internet and people are free to have an opinion.

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ill has never used this as an excuse, but just merely mentioned it being a very important issue in his personal/buisness life.

Where I said he did? Linnear claimed it casted a shadow over AI. I just stated it shouldn't be excuse. Also, if someone would be unable to keep going YEARS after tragedy he should quit business and seek help.

If that's insensitive for you, I'm sorry. But I'm quite frank guy.

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But maybe you should try to loose a kid (hopefully never), and see what that would do to you

Don't worry, assholes like me don't reproduce. Anyway, I do pity that he lost a child as "no parent should bury their child". I did buried my mother. And guess what, it's not on my company page, nor my customers are aware of this.

I may be an asshole (I bet my friends would agree on the spot, them bastars! ;) ) but don't put words in my mouth. I said that personal tragedy is like that, personal. Not that I #### on his kid's grave, FFS!

OK, I admit I may be a little sour today as I somehow injured my back. Well, karma got me.

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@fairlanefastback
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Part of the problem with not being credible is that it calls anything you say into question. I remember with the thing with the son people were publically wondering if that story was true or not.

Maybe that story is true, maybe not - what people should be wondering about is, is AInc. a one-man operation?

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My oldest son was badly hurt in 2003 and in the hospital for 18 days then spent 1 year recovering. Most in the Amiga community don't know about it. Life is like that and you must go on.

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Hondo wrote: But maybe you should try to loose a kid (hopefully never), and see what that would do to you, while your struggling to make a company survive, with almost zero income, and an angry mob of craving amigans being dissapointed all the time.

Since Amiga inc took over: my grandparents died, an uncle died, friends of the family, and several close friends have died. Of course some distant friends from the amiga community have died as well. In my life someone is always dying.

If Bill McEwen could not handle the job he should hand the reins over to someone else who can, there are several people who could have taken over.

Money was never an issue for the company as there were several wealthy Amigans who wanted to help & invest in Amigainc, but Bill McEwen only wanted investment from certain parties.

The only angry mob I see is people like you coming here confused about the situation trying to stir up trouble instead of joining with us to solve the problems.

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Sometimes I just don't believe this.....makes me hope he never ever reads these pages!

Bill McEwen doesn't listen to or understand the amiga community. He should come here and read this and work with US to fix the problems instead of ignoring them. If he doesn't do that, its just proof he wants to get rid of the community.

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@linnar

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linnar wrote: @ChrisH "they only sell some old Amiga 500 games for Windows" - This "only" games give Amiga Inc 1,7milj$ in 2005. This game come to give Amiga Inc more money than OS can do for ever. The "AA-crap" is worth milljons of $ every year. It's a realy goldmarket!

You say you saw this in the Kent news coverage. So far I am seeing only this type of thing:

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McEwen declined to reveal the company's annual revenue or sales figures. The only investor he would name is Amiga's chairman, Finnish-born venture capitalist Pentti Kouri, who operates out of New York.

Above from: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003712151_kentarena18m.html

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@DiscreetFX

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My oldest son was badly hurt in 2003 and in the hospital for 18 days then spent 1 year recovering. Most in the Amiga community don't know about it. Life is like that and you must go on.

And that was my point. Hope he's OK now!

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@fairlanefastback

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fairlanefastback wrote: @linnar Quote: linnar wrote: @ChrisH "they only sell some old Amiga 500 games for Windows" - This "only" games give Amiga Inc 1,7milj$ in 2005. This game come to give Amiga Inc more money than OS can do for ever. The "AA-crap" is worth milljons of $ every year. It's a realy goldmarket! You say you saw this in the Kent news coverage. So far I am seeing only this type of thing: Quote: McEwen declined to reveal the company's annual revenue or sales figures. The only investor he would name is Amiga's chairman, Finnish-born venture capitalist Pentti Kouri, who operates out of New York. Above from: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003712151_kentarena18m.html

I have a wrong! It was not 1,7million. it was 1,6million.


"The financial analysis firm Dun & Bradstreet estimated the company's total revenue last year at $1.6 million."

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@opi


Yup, I got your point. He is doing great now.



My parents also lost one of their dogs, he got hit by a car. The Amiga community did not find out about it though.

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@linnar
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To develop a new OS and all Amiga Inc need for that take long time .

Amiga inc did not develop an OS, and did not invest any money into it. It was Hyperion who invested their time and money to develop OS4.

I still feel it would have been better for Amiga inc to license and sell Amithlon and get it into distribution worldwide and into every store possible.

Of course, it would have put the whole community farther ahead to use either QNX (or even MorphOS) as the base for the next generation operating system, and let Hyperion to do what they specialised in.. porting games!

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The courtcase with Hyperion take money, power and time from the company and so on.

Instead of attacking Hyperion in court and trying to get OS4 for free they should have sat down and discussed terms in a business environment, sipping some of that nice Seattles Best coffee!

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Why is it so difficult to understand?

linnar, why is it so difficult for you to understand? The majority of people here understand, but you are sitting there confused!

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Is this fun????

No. This is life. Joking about horrible events is one of the things that help us dealing with it. See morbid/black humor, 9/11 jokes and other stuff.

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@linnar

The actual full sentence, you capitiziled the "T" in yours to I guess make it look complete is actually: "As a private company, Amiga is not obligated to disclose its earnings, but the financial analysis firm Dun & Bradstreet estimated the company's total revenue last year at $1.6 million."

"Total" for all income sources and the fact its "estimated" without any actual disclosure of the company's earnings are important to look at.

So lets look at your claims:
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they only sell some old Amiga 500 games for Windows" - This "only" games give Amiga Inc 1,7milj$ in 2005. This game come to give Amiga Inc more money than OS can do for ever. The "AA-crap" is worth milljons of $ every year. It's a realy goldmarket!"

You claimed 1.7 (or lets say 1.6) million in profits for games. And then additionally millions more from Amiga Anywhere. If we lo-ball your "millions" more for AA to be $2 million a year that means at a minimum you were puffing up estimated numbers from 1.6 million a year to at least $3.6 million a year. Lets also look up the word revenue:

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For a company, this is the total amount of money received by the company for goods sold or services provided during a certain time period. It also includes all net sales, exchange of assets; interest and any other increase in owner's equity and is calculated before any expenses are subtracted.

After we subtract probable expenses, like Bill's pay and benefits, John G.'s pay, Vince's pay, any distributions to Pennti, fees from their English consultant Fleecy Moss, rent & equipment, development costs for these games to be ported etc this number is not looking so huge and certainly does not seem enough for the $2.5 million down payment they were going to owe Kent at groundbreaking of the Events Center. And again its an estimate by a third party besides.

And when we think of Bill's pay lets remember this:

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McEwen said he started to pay those personal debts in February of 2006 and has paid off $173,000 in 18 months with $5,000 left to pay.

above from http://www.kentreporter.com/jumpstory.html?story=news1&pubdate=5/26/2007

Since the man is going to have other expenses than just his Chapter 13 debt it would seem he earns quite a good percentage of the estimated total revenue figure from D & B.

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@linnar


Thanx for the vote of confidence.

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@DiscreetFX

How much I understand the grief one might experience by the loss of someone loved, I find it as somewhat reminiscent of our own attachment to those who were special in our hearts, which at the same time goes against us, as the grief blurs out precisely those (good) memories who had originated it in the first place.

As I see life nowadays, I presently coin it as second life, I cannot justify this grief anymore, nothing is lost, love remains, and it's the only thing that truly matters.

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@linnar

> Is this fun????


What do you have to do if DiscreetFX finds funny of what opi told him or not?

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@Darth_X

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If Bill McEwen could not handle the job he should hand the reins over to someone else who can, there are several people who could have taken over...

Or at the very least a statement could have been made in his absence -- as was not the case with the trade show that coincided with his son's accident.

I'm convinced that Bill has his heart in the right place. He would likely be quite effective in sales or as a technical evangelist.

But... is he the right person to turn this brand into a marketable commodity? No. It's a challenge that very few could pull off in the first place. Look at what happened with Francis Charig at Tao.

@ne_one

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ne_one wrote: @Darth_X Quote: If Bill McEwen could not handle the job he should hand the reins over to someone else who can, there are several people who could have taken over... Or at the very least a statement could have been made in his absence -- as was not the case with the trade show that coincided with his son's accident. I'm convinced that Bill has his heart in the right place. He would likely be quite effective in sales or as a technical evangelist. But... is he the right person to turn this brand into a marketable commodity? No. It's a challenge that very few could pull off in the first place. Look at what happened with Francis Charig at Tao.

At least Francis Charig has landed on his feet and has a great new job.



http://www.taosupport.com/
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Tao Support Ltd is a consultancy specialising in providing customer support and providing ongoing development to users of Tao VP (virtual processor), Tao Intent microkernel and other related products. The Tao VP and Tao Intent microkernel are now owned by Cross Atlantic Capital Partners. Tao Support Ltd was formed in 2007 by two of the original founders of Tao Group Ltd: Andy Henson and Andy Stout. To contact us, please email: sales @ taosupport.com

I am sure that Cross Atlantic Capital Partners with do a lot of great things with TAO's VP & Intent..


Now as for Bill McEwen having his heart in the right place with regards the Amiga Community, I disagree. To have your heart in the right place you have to be upfront, apologise and do what you can to make amends. So far this hasn't happened. We've lost complete trust in him.

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@Lou

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Lol. This is "don't buy OS4 for Classic" cuz OS5 is around the corner FUD. Oh and it's better than MacOS X...let's not forget that.

Oops, now I'm a bit confused: what's better than MacOSX? The announcement of OS5? Or is the announcement of OS5 better than the announcement of MacOSX? No, wait, it must be that OS5 is better than the announcment of MacOSX. Yes, that's it, I think I got it right this time...

@linnar

It's not that difficult to understand, in fact it's quite easy: the Amiga Community is simply fed-up with all the blah-blah, empty words, false and broken promises and thin air coming from McEwen et col. Even I defended him time ago, I believed his promises, I really thought that something good would finally come true, but nothing came IN YEARS. I still remember their website saying they had nothing to do with OS4/AmigaOne, that their main objective was AmigaAnywhere and they had no interest in desktops, I can still remember the years of Amiga Inc blocking one after another all the atttempts to get a license from them... Bah, I, for one, don't trust them anymore. Maybe if they finally manage to get something out, I'll believe again, but not before, they have a track record of being unreliable.

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@wajdy

While I won't call Bill McEwen a liar, I just simply do not believe anymore.

My prediction ...

If they make any announcement at all, they will prance onto the stage with a theatrical flare, a flashy update on the website, lots of big plans and big promises.

Then, the magician's act will begin to unravel, the music will fade away, the costumes will fade, the smoke will disipate, and all that will be left is some battered mirrors and alot of empty promises ...

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