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Beamish2040 
Re: Message from Bill McEwen
Posted on 30-Oct-2007 15:34:31
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Quote:

wajdy wrote:
I got this from Bill McEwen several days ago, it is about OS5 :
I asked him to make it public since it does not contain sensitive info:

Quote:
We are putting the finishing touches on our public information release
concerning the new OS and we are making some final technology decisions with
regard to technical releases.

The promised information is coming, and I will make sure that I provide you
with the requested data.

Thank you again for taking the time to write to me.

Kindest regards,

Bill McEwen
Amiga, Inc.
bill@amiga.com
Tel: 425.557.9600 x23
Fax: 425.557.0090


Thanks Bill

In regards to the original post, what do you think the announcement is going to be?
OS5 is going to be released as a public beta?
AI has come to an agreement with Hyperion and will allow OS4 to be released for A-Cubes Sam 440ep board?

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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
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@thread

edit****** bad taste*******

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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
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Well, i hope for Bills' own sake that what he says is true..

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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
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I guess having an OS that's better than Mac OSX is way tooooo gooooood to be true!
An announcement alone is not enough. There should be a product to be demonstrated to public.

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!

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@wajdy

I think it'll be more of the same. If they include screenshots in the press release, I'll be surprised.

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@fairlanefastback

I understand what You say and I have read it in many message in the forum.
The answer is the same, Amiga Inc don't have money under long time. When
the money come it's a long and hard way to rebuild the company again and mutch
more.
To develope a new OS and all Amiga Inc need for that take long time .
The courtcase with Hyperion take money, power and time from the company and so on.
Why is it so difficult to understand?


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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
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@Rob

Quote:

Rob wrote:
@wajdy

I think it'll be more of the same. If they include screenshots in the press release, I'll be surprised.


I think, there wan't be any press release and or announcement. Nothing at all. Trust me. Only announcements that came from them where about misty nothing

Sad, but so is it

Luca

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@linnar

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To develope a new OS and all Amiga Inc need for that take long time .The courtcase with Hyperion take money, power and time from the company and so on.


Now they don't even have to manufacture their own excuses. Perhaps you've saved them some time that they can spend on OS5 instead.

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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
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@linnar

Quote:

linnar wrote:
@jorkany

"And you believe Amiga Inc. now have money because why? Because Bill says they do?"
- No, I think so because they move on and use marketcompany and so on.
The (stupid) Amiga Center idea tell me they have more money.



If they are "stupid" enough to try to do the Amiga Center at Kent (for arguement's sake for a minute being you call it a stupid idea) how are they smart enough to pull off a new OS? Do they have strong leadership, direction, and skill or not? Public indications do not paint a pretty picture in such regards. If they say they have more money for things like Kent but do not produce any you preach that we should all blindly believe that this means they really do have the cash. The city of Kent believed, and look what happened to them.

Quote:

"You seem to be under the impression that AInc. has a new owner. Could you tell us who the old owner was, who the new one is, and when the new one took over?"
- No, I it's same owner but they have one or two more owner from 2005 or 2006.



Who are the "one or two" more owners from either "2005 or 2006"? You have a lot of "ors". No substance. Let me take a wild guess here, you have no idea, except perhaps the Prokom money from 2005 I mentioned?

You keep preaching blind faith in the words of Bill and ask us to discount what we can see. There is no practicality to this. Many of us are open to simple fixes to the situation as well, OS5 screenshots, ACK Amiga prototype board shots, etc.

Quote:

"Why is that? How is Ainc. suddenly a "new company"?"
- For same Year Amiga Inc was very quiet. But suddenly Amiga Inc wake up. From
the "wake upp" I cal it a "new company". It's the same company but with a other
and new system to go forward. It's more silent and smarter like many other
company.


Ok so from speaking out they are a new company but then after that they are smart to shut up and be silent? Which is it, silent=good or showing "waking up"=good. And they are not so silent besides. Look at the Amigaweb.net Q&A, the Open Letter to the Community, and the ACK machine announcements with the over-the-top Summer 2007 schedule that seemed doomed to failure and indeed did fail, all recent. They further doubts and offer nothing of substance. This is established behavior from them before this thing you are dubbing their "wake up".

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Re: Message from Bill McEwen
Posted on 30-Oct-2007 19:06:02
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@Rob

Quote:

Rob wrote:
@linnar

Quote:
To develope a new OS and all Amiga Inc need for that take long time .The courtcase with Hyperion take money, power and time from the company and so on.


Now they don't even have to manufacture their own excuses. Perhaps you've saved them some time that they can spend on OS5 instead.


Maybe linnar is one of the secret OS5 programmers, desperate to give us inside info, but bound to an NDA not to?

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@linnar
I think we all accept that Amiga Inc has *some* new money since about 2006, as they started being noisy again after acting 'dead'. The real question is how much money, and what are they using it for? Two main options I see:

1. Not much money, and they only use it to appear to be busy, and somehow make a little bit of money back eventually (maybe sell OS4 once the court says they own it, or attract outside investors, or other cynical ideas).

2. Lots of money, so Fleecy et all can finally realise their dream Amiga Anywhere system, but they have to start from scratch because of Tao's problems. Writing an OS from scratch takes a long time, so we haven't seen anything yet.

Given Amiga Inc's past failures (2001 to 2005), the fact that they only sell some old Amiga 500 games for Windows, the Kent deal failure, ACK h/w by Summer failure, and Bill McEwan generally behaving like a prat - it's not surprising that many people think Option 1 is more likely. But Option 2 is still possible...

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Posted on 30-Oct-2007 19:16:10
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2. Lots of money, so Fleecy et all can finally realise their dream Amiga Anywhere system, but they have to start from scratch because of Tao's problems. Writing an OS from scratch takes a long time, so we haven't seen anything yet.


Also lets not forget they claim not only to be working on OS5, but also on AA2 (AmigaAnywhere2?). Thats two projects from scratch. And they through hearsay supposedly claim near completion of an OS4 web browser. But at the same time Bill says OS5 is ahead of schedule. So they could show us web browser for AOS4 screenshots and/or OS5 screenshots it would seem. They could start a blog introducing team members. SOMETHING substantive.

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Posted on 30-Oct-2007 19:25:22
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@fairlanefastback

The best, would be a photo of the team sitting in a "Amiga" Whirlpool Bath, sipping champagne, while browsing the internet on the OS4 web browser and lighting cigars with all the extras hundred dollar bills they have.

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Posted on 30-Oct-2007 19:32:12
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Why skimp? Make it 100 pound notes from the UK instead!


P.S. For anyone not aware already I hope that there is an OS5 and a Amiga branded OS4 web browser etc. I simply see no reason to believe such is the case given what we can see from the outside. I'd love to see proof to the contrary and would love linnar and the other Amiga Inc. faithful to be right.

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@fairlanefastback

and a caption under the photo that says "We got it, and we ain't releasing it!"

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@opi

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Bill's personal problems? Well, brown matter happens, this is life! Ever heard about separating personal life from business life? And if personal life clouds your work, quit work and resolve your issues. Don't play it as 'out of the jail' card


First of all I really think you are an a##hole here, who shows no empathy against the hardest thing a human being can experience!. Bill has never used this as an excuse, but just merely mentioned it being a very important issue in his personal/buisness life. This surely can effect how he handled his job, and yeah he should have seen that coming (that he couldn't handle his job because of it), but hey maybe no other were there to do the things he had to do in the company, when the tragedy hit him.

But maybe you should try to loose a kid (hopefully never), and see what that would do to you, while your struggling to make a company survive, with almost zero income, and an angry mob of craving amigans being dissapointed all the time.

Sometimes I just don't belive this.....makes me hope he never ever reads these pages!

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Helge wrote:
@wajdy

Well, i hope for Bills' own sake that what he says is true..

It probably is... My bet is that OS5 is AA2, which is of no interest to this community.

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My bet is that OS5 is AA2, which is of no interest to this community.


The community would be interested in OS5 or AA2 if every community effort to move the platform forward wasn't backstabbed by Amiga inc the time, if Amiga inc treated their employees properly, if Amiga inc didn't hurt the community with scams like the coupons/vouchers, etc..

I'm sure there were a lot of us who would love to develop (or even just play) games and apps that run on handheld devices. Let's make a lot of money on the games and apps for handhelds and use the profits from this to re-invest and subsidise the amiga desktop platform.

In my opinion, everything Amiga inc does is to destroy this community.

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@Hondo

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But maybe you should try to loose a kid (hopefully never), and see what that would do to you, while your struggling to make a company survive, with almost zero income, and an angry mob of craving amigans being dissapointed all the time.


Wasn't this quite a few years ago? Not to diminish the idea of the pain it may cause him to this day, but what does this likely have to do with the issues we are seeing with the company in the here and now in late 2007?

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