@djrikki

Yes I agree that software is needed. Hopefully there are some developers out there willing to swap time for beer money earned from Amistore.

I would worry if the Amistore offerings were to be all Hollywood based, as I have yet to see a Hollywood app that I would buy.

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This is not what I was suggesting.

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we need to begin to see is developer activity increasing

This is very important and it is being worked on for the last few months. I have been talking to many developers over the last few months and had very encouraging responses so far. I am still looking to talk to as many developers out there as possible about the new AMIStore project- if any developers want to find out more, please email A-EON or PMail me.

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@djrikki, amigakit

You may also have noticed that the OpenAmiga.org initiative has recently refocused and hopefully got a new lease of life. OK, its aim is not to bring you "killer apps". But the small bits and pieces, once developed, will improve the overall OS4 experience - including application development.

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I welcome all types of development, big or small. Through AMIStore, we can put some money back in developer's pockets and encourage more development. There is some exciting momentum building now behind this project- thank you to all the great feedback we have received this week! It is very encouraging.

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@trixie

I have noticed the OpenAmiga effort... However I still believe it or AmigaBounty.net should be replaced with a WP+Crowd funding Plug in - this would allow ppl who wouldn't usually bother donating to donate.

Crowdfunding is what Kickstarter do, but by doing it yourself you can make uy more specialised or as niche as you want.

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I still believe it or AmigaBounty.net should be replaced with a WP+Crowd funding Plug in - this would allow ppl who wouldn't usually bother donating to donate.

Oh yes, the lack of connection to a bounty system is currently a big drawback of OpenAmiga. There are more: the site is messy, looks older than your Parliament, project submission needs stricter control and moderation, etc. But things are evolving; I suggest you keep bugging Orgin with ideas, he's open to things.

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Will the proposed Libre Office and new printer driver software projects (when completed) and the new features of AmigaOS4.2 (also when completed) be sufficiently interesting to generate a few hundred new users (probably from the Classic Amiga userbase) who will be able to afford a Cyrus based system (also when available)? If all goes well in a "best case" scenario, could that number of new users or potential buyers, be more than 1,000?

Having more software will not increase market because it is already available to other more competitive platforms. So no, software is not a selling point.

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@itix

People buy hardware to run software, without more software development, the Amiga user base is not going to expand.

Our customers have bought the AmigaONE X1000 for the fastest AmigaOS experience, but after that they also need software that pushes the X1000 further. Customers also want an App Store which other platforms have. Software is very important- this is the reason A-EON is focussing in this area for the X1000.

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Having more software will not increase market because it is already available to other more competitive platforms. So no, software is not a selling point.

I agree with AmigaKit. Current AmigaKit customers require more software so to keep the platform at current levels or small gowth (Classic users taking the plunge into AmigaOne ownership) then software is a development priority. Mac/PC/Linux usuage seems quite dull compared to getting involved with the Amiga scene. If you want computers to just work buy a Mac but if you want to have some fun on the side buy an Amiga(One).

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That's the old hardware vs software conundrum. Without proper hardware, there will be no proper software because there's no hardware to run it on. But without proper software, there will be no proper hardware because there's no interest in buying the hardware.

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itix wrote: @amigadave Having more software will not increase market because it is already available to other more competitive platforms. So no, software is not a selling point.

I am really surprised that you would write something like that and don't understand your thinking behind such a statement at all.

I think it is quite obvious that the AmigaOne market needs more and better software to lure more users away from other OS choices, or in addition to other OS choices. Many users have stated on several occasions that they would use their AmigaOS4.x systems more often, and for more tasks, if the correct software were written, or ported to AOS4.x.

Look at all the attention that the porting of the latest version (or near latest version) of the Odyssey web browser generated and the amount of interest the porting/creation of the Timberwolf web browser before that, has had within our community. Look at the repeated requests for a new, or port of a recent version of any word processor, or office suite to our NG platforms.

I thought that it was obvious to everyone in our community that the users are hungry for more and better software, and that if such software were available, it would influence users who are "on the fence" about buying any NG Amiga system, toward making a purchase of a compatible system, so they could join the user base of NG Amiga users.

I must misunderstand your comment above, as it makes no sense to me at all.

I agree that our market is limited to a few geeky people who might buy interesting alternative systems, plus all of the current and former Amiga users, who would like to experience a more modern and faster Amiga-Like experience.

Maybe we are talking about different things and mixing up growing a larger user base, with making a larger potential market?

I am specifically writing about increasing the number of AmigaOS4.x users and developers in this particular thread. More specifically, I am writing about the number of future Cyrus based system sales over the next 4 to 6 years.

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Our customers have bought the AmigaONE X1000 for the fastest AmigaOS experience, but after that they also need software that pushes the X1000 further.

They have already bought X1000 with its current software base and features.

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Look at all the attention that the porting of the latest version (or near latest version) of the Odyssey web browser generated and the amount of interest the porting/creation of the Timberwolf web browser before that, has had within our community. Look at the repeated requests for a new, or port of a recent version of any word processor, or office suite to our NG platforms.

If they needed Odyssey they could have bought PowerBook.

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I thought that it was obvious to everyone in our community that the users are hungry for more and better software, and that if such software were available, it would influence users who are "on the fence" about buying any NG Amiga system, toward making a purchase of a compatible system, so they could join the user base of NG Amiga users.

It is the overall experience.

Put it this way. What are your conditions to spend $3000 to new AROS machine?

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If you want computers to just work buy a Mac but if you want to have some fun on the side buy an Amiga(One).

What you say is that reasons to buy AmigaOne are rather immaterial than material. If conditions are correct the buy it. In long run software base must grow but this itself is not stopping anyone to buy products.

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djrikki wrote: @trixie I have noticed the OpenAmiga effort... However I still believe it or AmigaBounty.net should be replaced

So called AmigaBounty.net is focussed on AOS4 projects, according to the statements on the webpage they would not even support Amiga HW or AmigaOS3 related projects.

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amigakit wrote: People buy hardware to run software, ...

Yes, that's true on normal markets. But AOs4 hardware is bought because people like to use AOS4. I you would by the system for standard applications you would by x86 PCs.

Face it, AOS4 is the only reason for buying an Amigaone.

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@Arko

I think is know this, you quoted half of what he wrote.

Clearly the insistive to try commercialize software whit AmiStore is move to get developers to make new software.

No dout there is (better) newer programs on Windows, MacOSX and Linux.

The applications we see on PC has been developer for years by large development teams, AmigaOS developers are mostly acting like lone Wolf, they make there own software repository’s (private) whit there own fixes, instead of work in the common interest.

The programs that do come out are mostly tools and stuff like that.

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@Arko

I agree that Amiga Bunty should have covered more the just AmigaOS4, as long as it open source project that every one benefit from it does not make sense to lock it down to just AmigaOS4.

I agree, but on the other hand it does not make sense to demand that developers to compile there stuff for all operating systems in the world.

Anyway You need special permissions to start and open a project there, the “Amiga Bunty” them will turn down prefect valid Bounty's.

“Power2People” might be just as good for any Amiga Bounty projects.

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