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Kronos 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 19:05:48
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@BigD

Buying an A1X1k might bring in more money than just buying OS4.1FT, but it also requires a much larger investment (developing that HW).

So one might ask what would happened if Trevor had sunk his money in developing a QEMU-Setup for OS4 ?

Add a HW-bound keyfile-scheme like the one used in MorphOS and you'd even have the piracy argument covered.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Kronos

Amithlon-like solution using QEMU CPU core would be even more powerful - for fracture of X1000 developement investement. However, if I had enough money for X1000, I would buy it rather than use some clever emulation technology.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 19:56:49
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@Kronos

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So one might ask what would happened if Trevor had sunk his money in developing a QEMU-Setup for OS4 ?


He didn't and the X1000 turned out pretty well. It was just expensive. Saying that they were strict about how many they built and didn't commission the next batch until the previous was sold and they had a lot of pre-orders for the next. Only for the last batch were any left in stock! Pretty good managing of the situation if you ask me! Also the profit margin must have been reasonably healthy (after initial outlay which must have hurt Trevor) and it has kept A-EON, AmigaKit and Hyperion busy and given us the possibility of SMT and future Cyrus machines. Hence, the right decision IMHO.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 19:59:03
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@Hyperionmp

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Although this document is publicly available, it appears that very few people have actually read it or understand it. By way of example, some people seem to believe that Hyperion is still restricted to certain CPU architectures like PPC or that Amiga Inc. retained extensive rights on AmigaOS 3.x


So you're in a position to officially respond when people inquire about the state of your business and your smarmy response is that *we* should have to locate this material, wade through it and decipher the legalese?

Quite a few members of this community have encouraged others to remain objective about Hyperion, despite concerns about culpability and direction. I'm not convinced that this is the time to be jerky.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 20:39:28
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@BigD

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since the survival of the AmigaOS platform is intertwined with the success of the AmigaOne hardware, I have no sympathy for people that simply want to spend £30 on AmigaOS FE on their Windoze box. If we don't support A-EON and ACube then AmigaOS has no future. There is not enough money in software sales to keep Hyperion alive never mind A-EON, ACube and AmigaKit!


That's ludicrous and goes against absolutely everything the Amiga ever stood for. This platform enjoyed a measure of success because it brought advanced features to the masses - it was technology that was attainable, not an aspirational pipe dream.

After 30 years and countless inexpensive hardware options the best way to keep the Amiga alive is to develop a dongle? Really...?


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

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BigD wrote:
@Kronos

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So one might ask what would happened if Trevor had sunk his money in developing a QEMU-Setup for OS4 ?


He didn't and the X1000 turned out pretty well.

Pretty well??? Überexpensive and underpowered and full of OS4 unsupported stuff: SMP, more than 2GB RAM, decent 3D support to name a few. And what happened to this Xena Xorro nonsense? Said it years ago and time has proven me right: Xena Xorro was just a useless addition for a marketing stunt of false promises. But sure, we who predicted exacly that were either trolls or nay sayers... Realism may not always be tasty but healthy.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 20:51:44
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@Zylesea

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Pretty well???


Much better than I expected.

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more than 2GB RAM


4.1FE...

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decent 3D support


Latest Warp3D (decent... at least in OS4 terms )

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@ne_one

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After 30 years and countless inexpensive hardware options the best way to keep the Amiga alive is to develop a dongle? Really...?


It is not just a dongle. The Amiga was always supported by third party companies developing accelerators, graphics cards, clock port upgrades etc and by just supporting a software company you not only designate AmigaOS the same fate as BeOS in the end but you kill all hope of harnessing the hardware knocking expertise in the Amiga community and destroy A-EON, ACube and most likely AmigaKit. Who gives a monkeys about hacking x86 mobos? However, what started with the interesting idea of including a Xena chip on the X1000 board could be further developed and could further set us apart from the dull and stagnating PeeCee development. Ever faster CPUs with more cores coupled with more memory and more shaders on graphics cards is such a pathetically dull route for computer development to take. Roll on quantum computers

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 21:10:23
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@BigD
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It is not just a dongle. The Amiga was always supported by third party companies developing accelerators, graphics cards, clock port upgrades etc and by just supporting a software company you not only designate AmigaOS the same fate as BeOS in the end but you kill all hope of harnessing the hardware knocking expertise in the Amiga community and destroy A-EON, ACube and most likely AmigaKit.

You are stuck in 20th century. Today software and services are far more important than hardware.

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However, what started with the interesting idea of including a Xena chip on the X1000 board could be further developed

Xena, name of another failure. Nobody gives a crap about Xena, it is feature that made X1000 more expensive and nobody ever used it for something interesting...

Keep arguments going...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 21:17:41
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@ExiE

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You are stuck in 20th century. Today software and services are far more important than hardware.


Obviously not for Amiga users. If your talking about how much emphasis is now put on Apps and Social Media on smart phones, I couldn't give to hoots about that rubbish. What does interest me is using unique hardware with unique software combined to create a unique and positive user experience that is far more productive than the equivalent x86 platform. Social media and the incessant purchasing of mind-numbingly stupid apps to waste time stops humans 'creating' proper content, the Amiga always promoted it and I think further hardware development could encourage that in the NG machines.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 21:25:53
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@BigD

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unique and positive user experience that is far more productive than the equivalent x86 platform


Show at least 1 example of that...

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@ExiE

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it is feature that made X1000 more expensive


X1000 costs nearly 3000 EUR, Xena makes only minor fracture of that amount.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 21:50:53
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@BigD

As Trevor Dickinson said on latest AmiWest, the most important today is Content, Content, Content.

That is why AmigaKit/A-Eon tries to broaden software base for AmigaOne platform.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 22:35:16
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@pavlor

Well, the XMOS chip does not cost much (but so does much on the board), but the price of a product is slightly more than the price for the BOM. Adding that chip costs:

- the chip itself
- the connector
- real estate on the pcb
- development costs to integrate it to the board

The retail price of a good is in most cases not the BOM + develoment cost + a fixed profit ammount, but ( BOM + develoment cost) * a fixed net profit _factor_. Hence the Xena/Xorro will add up to quite some amount. Probably not 1000.-, but of course quite more than 10,-. And I don't even like to pay only a tenner for a useless thing.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 23:03:03
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I'm guessing the mods have some type of bet going on with this thread?

my vote for top 3 in most off topic threads here

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 23:38:53
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@amigakit

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amigakit wrote:
@OlafS25

Ultimately, further development should always depend on sales to prevent finacial difficulties for the company sponsoring the development. A loss making business is never going to survive ultimately.

.................... Development will go on with a free updates for current 7.3a users to 7.4 next then onwards to 7.5, demonstrating A-EON's commitment to AmigaOS 3 and 4.

A-EON has another new application project arriving soon that is multi-platform for both AmigaOS 3 and 4- watch this space!


Please consider widening your market even further by including AROS and MorphOS when making all development decisions. In many cases, it should not increase the cost of sponsoring new development by too much to include ports to AROS and MorphOS, as well as AmigaOS3.x and AmigaOS4.x.

I have no idea how many AROS users there are, but the fact that there are approx. 2800 MorphOS licenses sold (some few of them donated), should provide some incentive to sponsor, or at least encourage ports to AROS and MorphOS.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 19-Apr-2015 5:20:38
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@Nibunnoichi

thread went pretty much too forward to respond and keep the context. but want to pinpoint that the criticism in this thread is NOT against os4 "per se": rather is more directed towards Hyperion, Ben hermans and its business actions and PR politics - separate the product from the producer!

(ok as italian too lets make a comparison to soccer: think we criticize in example Matarrese busness practice and not the Napoli AC soccer team per se, put it this way)

Then i still think that os4 users have a lot more power to change things in better than they believe...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@amigadave

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Please consider widening your market even further by including AROS and MorphOS ....


In your dreams.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Manu

Commercially would make sense however is all about ROI and there is not that much in amigaland :(

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 19-Apr-2015 9:11:52
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@BigD

hardware knocking like with AGA or ECS?

What are you talking about? I am pretty sure that no AmigaOS software today "knocks the hardware". That is pretty impossible because even in the small AmigaOS world you have different hardware like different graphic cards.

What AmigaOS hardware are you owning and using? I would be interested to hear because you never mentioned it

And Xena... you can add it cheaply using USB and on Windows you have even development tools. Time counts today and development support is basic. What exact is the advantage of Xena in X1000 compared to Xena on "PeeeCeee". i am working on Windows and I could not afford to use anything amiga related for it. And we have 2015. Hardware is cheap and powerful today so custom hardware makes not much sense except it offers real advantages. PowerPC had its time and at that time (mid 90s) its use even made sense. Today that is not the case anymore.

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