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Bugala 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 10:21:09
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@A1200

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The second thing was why he isn't doing his own legal admin.


One possibility is because it might be better that someone else does it.

One friend of mine bankrupted, and sometimes bankruptcies go nice and clean, while sometimes they decide to start to hunt you down for everything possible. Friend happened to get the second treatment, and it went to pretty ridiculous extent. As example, every year he had made inventory count, as is required by Finnish laws for every company to do.

However, since he had himself participated in all the inventory counts (which most business owners do to make sure everything is right. After all, if employee does a mistake, it is still the owner who is legally responsible), but now in bankruptcy proceedings they decided that none of the inventories were reliable, because he had himself participated in making them.

Therefore one possibility is that there could be something similar in this one, that it is better that someone else than Hermans does it.

But then again, maybe it isnt.

Good question anyway.

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tonyw 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 10:38:30
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@jorit2

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"I enjoy using it" is indeed probably the best and only answer one needs


Well said. I also enjoy writing software for it, letting other people use my software, helping a few people use their Amigas, talking with other developers.

Good to hear from you again.

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Deniil715 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 11:17:10
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@A1200

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You shouldn't blindly follow without evidence. That can create a religion if enough people think the same as you do!


Well, isn't Amiga already a religion? I know the Apple iStuff sure is. One needs to follow and show support to get progress as well. I see no viable replacement for Amiga and I don't want it do die. Should I then bash Hyperion for slow development and suggested bad financial management while waiting for the allmighty OS5, or OS4.2 or whatever that should supposedly have all the bells and whistles we have now been 'waiting' 20 years for?
No.
I buy and use what's available now (show my complaints through constructive bugreports), and then I upgrade when the time comes. That's the proper way to enjoy and support a product line.

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wawa 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 11:47:28
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@Deniil715

product line... as if there was one. all what makes "amiga" today is community based. your amiga is in your mind, my in mine, everybody else has an own different concept of what it is. where it meets there is some current carrying it further, but it does not come from the entities that like to present themselves as "mother" companies. as example, im pretty sure all os4 development lately comes from unpaid freelance contributors. it is community driven effort as aros is. the difference is that if hyperion goes bust, all the code and work on os4 will be lost while aros remains available as long as one person has a cloned repository.

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Signal 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 14:33:35
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@wawa

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wawa wrote:
while aros remains available as long as one person has a cloned repository.


Hm, I'll have to contact the recycle company and see if they kept the aros CDs I threw in the bin.

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eliyahu 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 14:39:15
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@jorit2

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I have to admit that, since I watched you in some promotional video about the Z13, elaborating on the highly advanced stuff you're working on and with, I was impressed and have been even more intrigued with your presence in this community.
Why on earth would you come to the Amiga (NG) with all its challenges and drama ? It is a completely different league ...

thanks for checking out the z13!

but yeah, it is indeed a different level. the truth is that i'm not entirely sure why i 'joined up.' i found a video of the SAM440ep online and was hugely impressed with what people were able to do with it -- i've been involved with powerpc stuff since the somerset days and knew some of the guys in raleigh who did the 440 originally -- so i thought about buying one. it was cheap enough, and i grew to enjoy using it for fun. i still do like it. what i don't like is the absurd levels of drama over the platform, the vitriol over something which should just be a little fun, and the almost religious devotion to this or that camp. it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

as for pace of development, platform capabilities, and the, er, style of management, it doesn't bother me since i just look at it as a fun hobby for all involved rather than actual business. if i thought of it as a mainstream computing platform, i'd be hugely disappointed. but as i use my AOS4 boxes daily just for fun, and nothing else -- work is done on big-boy machines -- i just don't take it seriously.

it's just for fun.

-- eliyahu

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asymetrix 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 14:55:20
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From: United Kingdom

@thread

Hyperion needs to get back into creating games, mobile games to keep Amiga development going.

This is the only way to do it. Tap into a larger userbase.

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amigakit 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 15:05:36
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@asymetrix

I agree, games are important

In my opinion, the only way Amiga is going to break even economically is if there is more quality software. Investment into software development is the way forward - I do not mean the OS, we need software technologies to enable games porting and higher quality application software.

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Signal 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 15:08:28
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@eliyahu

Quote:

eliyahu wrote:
if i thought of it as a mainstream computing platform, i'd be hugely disappointed. but as i use my AOS4 boxes daily just for fun, and nothing else.....

it's just for fun.

-- eliyahu


Same here

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wawa 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 15:27:26
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@Signal

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Hm, I'll have to contact the recycle company and see if they kept the aros CDs I threw in the bin.


well, funny joke, but you can download aros from the internet, except perhaps if you are on a 56k modem.

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noXLar 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 15:34:42
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@amigakit

+1

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terminills 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 16:03:37
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Posts: 1472
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@Signal


Could you see if they have my AOS4 CD's too? :P

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Signal 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 16:21:29
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@terminills

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terminills wrote:
@Signal


Could you see if they have my AOS4 CD's too? :P


OOoooh! I'm sorry, but I was to quick on the trigger and reported you. So when you're out-and-about if you see some men in white caots with large butterfly nets........RUN!

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terminills 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 17:49:07
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@Signal

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OOoooh! I'm sorry, but I was to quick on the trigger and reported you. So when you're out-and-about if you see some men in white caots with large butterfly nets........RUN!



Well that seems silly hope you reported yourself also. :)

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andres 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 18:05:02
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From: Firenze (Italy)

@amigakit
Agree, and even one or two iconic Amiga games remake (my dream, a Sensible Soccer remake) could help.

Said so, I guess the past 15 years say with few doubts that a better price/performance ratio for the hardware (being it PowerPC or other) is needed to reach a small but sustainable market (let's say over 10.000 users).

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Rob 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 18:31:46
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Joined: 20-Mar-2003
Posts: 6344
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@amigakit

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I agree, games are important

In my opinion, the only way Amiga is going to break even economically is if there is more quality software. Investment into software development is the way forward - I do not mean the OS, we need software technologies to enable games porting and higher quality application software.


Some games creators similar to SEUCK, GRAC and backbone would be a great addition to your portfolio since it allows everyone who has an idea to become a developer.

The better quality games could then be sold via Amistore making it easier to recoup the original development costs.

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ExiE 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 18:32:33
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Posts: 450
From: Czech Amiga News

@amigakit
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In my opinion, the only way Amiga is going to break even economically is if there is more quality software. Investment into software development is the way forward - I do not mean the OS, we need software technologies to enable games porting and higher quality application software.

You are right that software is what we need the most atm, but you are quite wrong about the OS. Without right technologies (drivers, APIs, frameworks,...) that are usually integral part of the OS, you can't make quality software. I mean who would create top-notch software for outdated OS missing many today standards?

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 20:34:57
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From: Unknown

@amigakit

Quote:

amigakit wrote:
@asymetrix

In my opinion, the only way Amiga is going to break even economically is if there is more quality software. Investment into software development is the way forward - I do not mean the OS, we need software technologies to enable games porting and higher quality application software.


Indeed!

Because a future for the platform based on €3000 EUR systems with year 2004 level performance sold in 200-400 units will be so much brighter if 1995 level S/W like Personal Paint and Octamed is recompiled so it can run natively on it!

You Sir have a plan for Amiga breaking even economically right there!








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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 20:40:30
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Posts: 9578
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@TRIPOS

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Because a future for the platform based on €3000 EUR systems


No one foces you to buy it - there are cheaper alternatives like A1-500 or WinUAE.

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Manu 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 16-Feb-2015 21:31:42
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@Signal

Quote:

Signal wrote:
@wawa

Quote:

wawa wrote:
while aros remains available as long as one person has a cloned repository.


Hm, I'll have to contact the recycle company and see if they kept the aros CDs I threw in the bin.


And I canceled my delivery of OS4 CD's when I learned it's wasn't worth the postage paid.

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