@OlafS25

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hmmm then you are the last of its kind?

Yes, so lonely existence... Fortunately, there are always people with other opinions than mine, so I never feel alone.

@wawa

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compiling lists including os4 developers amidst the genuine amiga developers, barely readable video presentations claiming the continuity, which probably would look rather alike if anybody bothered to do similar with aros or morphos.

Gource. Try HD.

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well, i even remember some claim morphos was based on the same genuine sources. which then may have made it as official, or what?

That is certainly not opinion of MorphOS developers. Link please.

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because the "official" os4 owners had to go to court to secure what seems to be just a license to distribute a product derivative from amiga, which the alternatives certainly are as well in this or another sense.

AROS and MorphOS are "spiritual" heirs of AmigaOS, AmigaOS4 is heir in both legal and "biological" (same sources) sense.

@pavlor

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Heritage in linked video means direct source code lineage. Something "clones" can only dream about.

Does that video show exactly what Cloanto's IP has been used in the creation of OS4 on a file basis? Last I remember, OS4 Devs went to court stating their code was their own and had nothing to do with previous code IP. I mean if they directly used code from Cloanto's AOS 1.x-3.1 series, that does speak volumes of heritage of the code.

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@OlafS25

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the "heritage" was so rammed in the ground over the years that it is not important anymore

Ever since the OS4 project was started, those who worked on other solutions kept pointing out how tarnished the heritage was, how it was just inflating prices, how it was used to cover up all sorts of problems etc. etc.

They were right.

And yet, OS4 still draws a lot more attention than all those other solutions combined. Despite its flaws, lack of progress, laughable hardware and all the business 'failures' (being polite here), it's still the one project that generates revenue and flamewars and keeps a business alive.

I guess it's a bit of a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't situation

In other words: For something that's "really not important anymore", you waste a lot of time talking about it, Olaf

@OlafS25

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and BTW Amiga is for me A500, A600, A1000, A1200 and A4000 with 68k processors not PPC

For me, those and the Amiga-mini (the most powerful Amiga ever built) were true Amigas because they were Commodore Amigas.

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@pavlor

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That is certainly not opinion of MorphOS developers. Link please.

no, as far as i get that, it comes from the same source as other contradicting claims, depending on what is is best suitable on given occasion.

@Massi

there is another thread about Freescale bought by another company. This company only uses ARM processors so why producing both PPC and ARM if you can do all with ARM? The X5000 is using Freescale processors? Then it could run out of processors before production has started.

In this sense I am happy to use a "Clone" that runs on different hardware and is not dependant on a certain hardware.

@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @OlafS25 Quote: the "heritage" was so rammed in the ground over the years that it is not important anymore Ever since the OS4 project was started, those who worked on other solutions kept pointing out how tarnished the heritage was, how it was just inflating prices, how it was used to cover up all sorts of problems etc. etc. They were right. And yet, OS4 still draws a lot more attention than all those other solutions combined. Despite its flaws, lack of progress, laughable hardware and all the business 'failures' (being polite here), it's still the one project that generates revenue and flamewars and keeps a business alive. I guess it's a bit of a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't situation In other words: For something that's "really not important anymore", you waste a lot of time talking about it, Olaf

Draws a lot of attention from whom? The few people on this site and A.org? That isn't a lot of attention. OS4 probably has less than 1000 users worldwide. And what revenue are you talking about? Are you living on another planet and missed the news about Hyperion being bankrupt or do you live in a fantasy land?

@pavlor

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Few years ago, there were 3 Amiga.Inc supporters (me, linnar and Wildskar128). Linnar later strongly supported CommodoreUSA and disappeared after their failure. Whereabouts of Wildskar128 are unknown.

Don't forget about @bugala. We've had many interesting discussions over the years.

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Cloanto's recent statements speak to these doubts he expressed, do they not?

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Also is the question, did even Amiga inc. in the first place get anything real, or is it perhaps even so that when commodore bankrupted, Some or all amiga things have already changed to completely different place where we think them to be, and someone has actually claim towards everyone involved in Amiga today.

Granted he didn't mention the Commodore aspects specifically, but still...

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@cgutjahr

Yes the old brand still has some recognition (we saw that at CommodoreUSA with their rebranded PCs). A brand alone does not sell but it is helpful.

But finally their strategy will fail because they will be the last ones turning out the light with their PPCs

@OlafS25

OK happiness for all

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@Massi

*hug*

@damocles

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Does that video show exactly what Cloanto's IP has been used in the creation of OS4 on a file basis?

As that video is from year 2010, your question is self-explanatory.

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Last I remember, OS4 Devs went to court stating their code was their own and had nothing to do with previous code IP

Some (even critical like in ExecSG) parts of the OS are owned by respective OS4 developers and licensed to Hyperion, some are based on prior components (there are even comments of past Commodore OS developers in the source code). I expect you know that already.

@ferrels


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OS4 probably has less than 1000 users worldwide

Yeah, yeah spreading BS ...one small dealer in Poland sold 100 copies (just preorders) of OS4 FE*, so, try harder...

*official numbers given by shop owner

PS. Plus probably 25 more after preorder.

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@mr2

Hopefully Hyperion has made a huge donation to Toni Wilen

@number6

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Don't forget about @bugala. We've had many interesting discussions over the years.

New sheep to the flock. I didn´t find his opinions too much pro-Amiga.Inc. Nice to see my kind (BAF) is not extinct.

@OlafS25

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Hopefully Hyperion has made a huge donation to Toni Wilen

And he would deserves it, for marvelous work he did for OS4.

@mr2

care to link to that list? i remember it was like some 70 people or so of whom maybe seven had any actually hardware to run it and the rest was interested uae users attracted to try out the fresh ppc emu.

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@ferrels

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Are you living on another planet and missed the news about Hyperion being bankrupt or do you live in a fantasy land?

Well, it was cgutjahr who as the first reported this news on amiga-news.de.

@pavlor

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I didn´t find his opinions too much pro-Amiga.Inc

Then let's agree he at least asked interesting questions and posed alternative ways to look at things.

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So why on earth should Ainc protect AOS interests anymore? What is there for them except plenty of guys who do nothing but blame them on everything

Anyway, using the term "Amiga Inc." tends to polarize people around one or two individuals. Let's not forget we're talking about dozens of people here from inception to today, where it's just Mr. Cohen, his filing cabinet and the Kouri family trust.

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