@elatour

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When companies go bankrupt, creditors can force the sale of that company's assets (e.g. equipment, trademarks, intellectual property, etc.) in order to recuperate some of their money. Whomever buys those assets can either choose to use, resell or give them away.

so you think someone might just wander along and make us a present?

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Perhaps a crowd funding initiative might be able to be setup to buy the IP, sources and trademark names and open source them so the Amiga community as a whole could benefit.

or that we could (again) invest in some other initiative that has a good chance to turn out to be scam, because we would be dealing with.. whom exactly?

@pavlor

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Sounds like Theseus' paradox.

well spotted. food for thought, isnt it?

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It seems to be important for most AmigaOS4 users...

thats why its fine when they stay where they think are safe.

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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote: Why not, I´m known BAF.

ok then, is ALSO your fault that you let the driver go straight in the cliff: you know that companies depend on customers so you and other os4 users could have used "the wallet" to correct hyperion biggest flaws, instead of let them singlehandedly destroy what was left of the Amiga community!

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@saimon69

Hyperion? I have been - and always shall be - Amiga.Inc supporter...

@pavlor

yes the "last of its kind"

@OlafS25

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yes the "last of its kind"

Not last. Now, there are two of us (me and jacken).

@pavlor

No.

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@pavlor

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Hyperion? I have been - and always shall be - Amiga.Inc supporter...

There's nothing that can be said to that other than thank goodness they released the Christmas Card Maker to save the Amiga platform

Hyperion, A-EON and ACube are the only professional outfits we have left therefore support them! Linux is the only open source competition to Windows, Mac OSX or the minor hobby OSes like AmigaOS. RISCOS has eclipsed AmigaOS in user numbers simply by porting to the Raspberry Pi. Why this was not done with AmigaOS is a travesty. In that case backwards compatibility was irrelevant as Hyperion just needed to get AmigaOS copies installed on as many Raspberry Pis as possible to increase awareness of the platform. With Hyperion struggling for funds a cut down AmigaOS for ARM would have helped and been the first step in the direction of porting the whole PPC code base to ARM. Either that or the LimeBook project should have been continued as a low cost option but the price was too high.

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@BigD

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RISCOS has eclipsed AmigaOS in user numbers simply by porting to the Raspberry Pi.

Source for such claim?

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ARM would have helped and been the first step in the direction of porting the whole PPC code base to ARM.

ARM? "x86" makes far more sense for our needs.

@pavlor

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ARM? "x86" makes far more sense for our needs.

There are no programs that would make use of the grunt of a x86 except may be Blender. Raspberry Pi uses an ARM CPU hence the suggestion to port to ARM. Hyperion are not in the business of creating alternative OSes for PeeCee users they are trying to get people to invest in software AND hardware otherwise no money will be made and we might as well give up! The only reason why I'd install a different OS on my PC is to run a game or application that requires it. No one is going to mess around with AmigaOS on a PC as they have Windows or Linux and that runs everything they want. A Raspberry Pi has limited OS options and users are far more likely to give it a go. The main aim however is to get them to buy an AmigaOne for a full AmigaOS experience complete with OCTAMED, Personal Paint, ImageFX, LibreOffice, Aladdin 4D, OWB/Timberwolf etc.

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@BigD

OS4 runs on PC of my brother faster than RiscOS on RPI.

@pavlor

The Raspberry Pi is slow but that's not the point. People buy them to experiment with computers like they used to do with the BBC Micro and the Commodore Amiga. They are the modern potential customer base for a modern Amiga and if you don't tap into where they're at by offering them AmigaOS 'light' the the Raspberry Pi then Hyperion are missing an opportunity.

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@BigD

They have Linux for that, they use python to control the io pins etch.
and best selling point is that Linux is free.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

But they can TRY RiscOS and given half a chance they'd TRY AmigaOS. If you don't think anyone is going to try AmigaOS in 2015 then the question has to be asked; Why are we still flogging this dead horse?

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@BigD

I haven't followed this entire thread, or even followed Hyperion that closely over the years, but I was under the assumption that they couldn't even port to other CPUs, either due to rights issues, or manpower. Do they even own all of the source code to OS4, or is it scattered amongst like half a dozen developers?

I agree strongly that AOS should have been ported to the Pi, years ago. AOS 4 should have been given away as free, with some sort of premium version available at a reasonable price. But that assumes it could even be ported to begin with, and that Amiga-ish companies consider longterm benefits over shortterm profits (and meager profits at that).

500-1000 insanely expensive PPC systems + AOS probably provides more profit than 5000-10000 AOS ARM licenses would. That is the only rational explanation for why PPC was chosen and the route they took.... and why they kept on that same path even years after it made no sense at all.

@Nameless

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500-1000 insanely expensive PPC systems + AOS probably provides more profit than 5000-10000 AOS ARM licenses would. That is the only rational explanation for why PPC was chosen and the route they took.... and why they kept on that same path even years after it made no sense at all.

IMO they did play all in milking the existing user base to death, taking advantage of their own stubborn refusal of reality. What better customer than a brainwashed one?

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@Nameless

One important reason for the choice of ppc over x86 was a strong fear of piracy. I remember it being said that if they ported amigaos to x86 everyone would just torrent it and run it on off the shelf hardware. The computer was supposed to be the copy protection dongle for the OS (and in fact, the AmigaOne SE and XE have copy protection roms). They were so worried that piracy would lead them straight to bankruptcy that they chose a path that, well...

@CodeSmith

I won't say there were no valid reasons at all for going PPC, although one benefit was the fact they could charge a fortune for an overpriced PPC machine. Can't do that with x86 or ARM. And with a niche product, if you want to maximize shortterm profits, go with low sales/high markup. That business plan doesn't necessary work longterm though...

The fear of piracy and the idea of, 'If it's on x86, people will just run Windows instead', didn't make sense years ago, and certainly doesn't make sense now. But it made even less sense to stick with PPC for years longer than they should have, unless they legally couldn't port it, or simply didn't have all the source code.

Easier to port from PowerPC to ARM than from PowerPC to x86, as PowerPC and ARM are in many ways much more similar. But anyhow, wasn't the point of (re)writing OS4 in C to make it portable? If you want Amiga on Pi, there is AROS/AEROS and Directory Opus Magellan, that is good enough.

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@CodeSmith

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One important reason for the choice of ppc over x86 was a strong fear of piracy.

I never took this too seriously. I've always thought that the choice for PPC was due to Amigans' strong preference for the "different" PowerPC architecture, over the hated PC's x86 one, and for the practical reason that same endianess of 68000 processors would speed up implementation of a working, transparent emulation layer. PPC architecture never stopped piracy on the Mac, nor it would have stopped it on AmigaOnes, unless, obviously, "numbers" would have been so little to discourage spending any time effort into cracking and sharing the code.

AmigaOS 4 should also have worked on PPC expanded classic hardware (this was achieved with 4.1, IIRC). As I said, there was already a long running relationship between the Amiga community and PPC processors, switching to x86 would have been seen as a unreasonable move, as much as the whole A.Inc's Amiga Anywhere effort had been heavily criticized by the community.

The risk, 15 years ago, was that all the remaining Amigans would have left the platform if only it flatted on the common x86 architecture. But this risk, IMHO, had been overvalued. The real issue, unluckily, was that both Windows (2000, XP) and Linux were already far ahead than AmigaOS at the time, and the gap was already impossible to fill with the scarce A.inc/Hyperion resources.

There was a reason, after all, if in the AAA times, Commodore evaluated using Windows NT on further, never released, NG Amiga systems.